~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ---------- Text of forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1993 01:37:46 EDT From: Rick Gates To: Multiple recipients of list EDTECH Subject: September Hunt Results ***************************************************************** * * * THE INTERNET HUNT * * * * RESULTS * * * * for September, 1993 * * * ***************************************************************** Well, the count is in for our beginner's Hunt, and the winner in the individual class is: Sathya Narayanaswamy Virginia Tech Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. ...who scored a perfect 25 points in an entry dated Wed, 1 Sep 93 07:19:13 EDT (GMT -04). The winner in the team class is: Team MindVox MindVox Systems New York, New York, U.S.A. ...also with a perfect score in an entry dated Fri, 03 Sep 93 18:32:17 EDT (GMT -4). Both winning entries came from brand new hunters. Congrats to them all! ABOUT THIS HUNT =============== Better last minute than never. I'm sitting up here in my hotel room in Rochester, but since it's not October 1st yet in Ann Arbor (where my account is), I guess we can conclude that the September Hunt Results were posted during the month of September. Whew! If I keep cutting it this close, I'll have to get an account in Hawaii. :-) We had a record number of participants in this Hunt... 54 in all. Consequently, I haven't had time to examine each answer, and therefor have been unable to determine what percentage of respondents received full credit for each questions. However, after looking at the earliest entries (to determine the winners), and browsing many of the others, it's clear that the question on the Fawlty Towers sitcom was the most difficult. The easiest method was to do a Veronica search on the term 'sitcom', though there were other creative paths taken (see below). Other than that, most Hunters found all the answers. There were a couple of different correct answers to the extra credit question. (see below) Almost all the participants were new Hunters, and they performed extremely well. Congratulations, Welcome, and Thanks, to them all. WHAT DO YOU THINK? ================== I've been approached by the publishers of a new journal called "The World Wide Web Newsletter" They would like to reward the winners of each Internet Hunt with a free one-year subscription. They've sent me a copy of their first issue, and contrary to the title, this is not primarily a forum for WWW users. In fact, there is really only a couple of articles dedicated to that hypertext tool. Their statement of purpose from the masthead is: "The World Wide Web Nesletter is dedicated to promoting and supporting use of all the global interconnecting networks. The emphasis of this support is on the users, the virtual communities that make the global Internet a new continent." The first issue supports this goal; flipping through it, I see that there is a good section on NetNews, a discussion of Net access in the UK, a description of the Cello WWW browser, tips on becoming an email power user, on Nettiquite, reviews of publications, ejournals, LC, Multimedia, Bio diversity, resources for email only users, a column by John Makulowich, and lots of other bits and pieces. The back cover has a nice list of Net resources and where to find them. This British publication (Art Computers of London) has a format that is basic black and white glossy. Subscriptions outside the UK are 42 pounds for 6 issues/year. OK, so it's definitely interesting and educational reading. The question remains, should the Internet Hunt accept this subsidy? Personally, I don't have a problem with it, and it'd be nice to see the winners rewarded for their hard work. But I view the Hunt more as the property of the Nets, particularly of the Hunters themselves. So what do you think? Is this a good idea or bad (or otherwise)? Anyone is free to respond, Hunters or not. My standard .sig is below. I appreciate your comments. THE HUNT RESULTS ================ 1. (2) Wow! This Hunt stuff is fantastic! ;-) Who was the winner of the first Internet Hunt? Gopher to gopher.cic.net Choose "The Internet Hunt" from the menu Choose "About the Internet Hunt" from the menu Choose "Individual Winners of the Hunt" and get the winner for September 1992 Choose "Team Winners of the Hunt" . There probably was no category for teams in the first hunt as the team winners are listed only from November 1992. Individual Winner : Hope N. Tillman Director of Libraries Horn Library Babson COllege Babson Park MA 02157 USA [From Sathya Narayanaswamy, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A.] ===================================================================== 2. (2) It's not much longer before Hong Kong reverts to Chinese rule. Where can I find some current discussions about Hong Kong? [Rick: There are a number of groups that discuss Hong Kong. Perhaps the most focused is identified below by the Mental Waitpersons...] ----- There is a news group called soc.culture.hongkong, with much current discussion. There are other lists and newsgroups, too numerous to list, which can be found by reading the FAQ of soc.culture.hongkong. Found soc.culture.hongkong by searching newsgroups for the term "hong"; searched in news.answers for a FAQ for this group, but didn't find it. Then did a Veronica search for alt.soc.hongkong and located a four-part FAQ. The first part of the FAQ lists several other groups, lists. [From The Mental Waitpersons, BALIS Reference Center, Oakland, California, U.S.A.] ----- [Rick: ...and for the truly interested, Padmini Srinivasan gives us an in-depth answer.] There are a number of options. The first place to start is with a FAQ on Hong Kong. To get this: telnet quake.think.com login: wais Select the source: usenet Search for Hong Kong You will get a number of listings. The first item is the FAQ. This FAQ has plenty to offer on discussions about Hong Kong. Another way to get this FAQ is by anonymous ftp to rtfm.mit.edu. The file is hongkong-faq and is in the directory /pub/usenet/news.answers. Can also get it by anonymous ftp to ftp.cs.ruu.nl [131.211.80.17] in the directory NEWS.ANSWERS. Some options for discussions/information on Hong Kong are: (a) The newsgroup soc.culture.hongkong. One can subscribe through USENET. Or, by sending an e-mail message to "postmaster@ahkcus.org" asking to be added to the list. Related newsgroups are soc.culture.china, soc.culture.taiwan, soc.culture.asean, talk.politics.china, talk.politics.taiwan and alt.chinese.text. Again, these may be accessed through USENET. (b) To receive the latest Hong Kong news: The Alliance of Hong Kong Chinese in the US (AHKCUS) maintains a mailing list called "hknews@ahkcus.org" which are mainly articles >from major news wires with news clipping primiarily focused in HK, China and Taiwan. You can add your name to the AHKCUS Hong Kong News mailing list by sending a request to "request@ahkcus.org" (c) Other Sources of Information: The Alliance of Hong Kong Chinese in the US (AHKCUS) maintains a mailing list for its members and people who are insterested in the democracy and human rights in Hong Kong and China. Hong Kong Net (HKNet) can be reached by sending mail to "cst@hobbes.catt.ncsu.edu" or "so@cs.wisc.edu". South East Asia Online is a free mailing list with interests :in Southeastern Asia. It covers areas from Burma/Myanmar to HK, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and Australia. To subscribe, mail to "listserv@msu.bitnet" or "listserv@msu.edu" with a one line message "SUB SEASIA-L ". China News Digest is a regular posting of lastest China news in an on-line magazine format. To subscribe or get info, mail to: "cnd-info@djohn-sun.sdsc.edu" HXWZ is a weekly electronic magazine in the Chinese language published by China News Digest (CND). To subscribe to CND Chinese Magazine: Send mail to "LISTSERV@UGA.BITNET" with a one line message, "sub CCMAN-L ". [From Padmini Srinivasan, School of Library and Information Science, University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa, U.S.A.] ====================================================================== 3. (3) How do I find the FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) file for the Usenet group alt.internet.services? It's not showing up on my newsreader for that group. telnet archie.sura.net login qarchie prog alt.internet.services One of the listings for the directory is charon.mit.edu /pub/usenet-by-group quit archie ftp charon.mit.edu login anonymous password emailaddress cd pub/usenet-by-group cd alt.internet.services get the FAQ file! [From The MWC Hunt Club, (geographically distributed)] ----- [Rick: Here's a Gopher-only solution from Dave Shield...] gopher.csc.liv.ac.uk: Other Gopher servers United States (from Minnesota) south carolina University of South Carolina, Dept. of Mathematics Frequently Asked Questions - Multiple Versions News.Answers FAQ listings (MIT) internet-services faq [In fact I've got a link to the Comprehensive MIT list in my personal gopher bookmarks list] [From Dave Shield, Dept of Computer Science, Liverpool University, Liverpool, England] =================================================================== 4. (3) I'm studying international economics. How many German Marks can I get for 5 dollars? [Rick: Mark Gendron illustrates a typical approach, through the vast Economic Bulletin Board at the Univ. of Michigan...] Veronica search:"monetary statistics" --> 1. Monetary Statistics/ Name=Monetary Statistics Type=1 Port=70 Path=1/ebb/monetary Host=una.hh.lib.umich.edu --> 1. 10 am EST foreign exchange rates. German Mark 1.6795 [From Mark Gendron, Burnaby, British Columbia, Canada] ----- [Rick: The PROBE Team found an interesting resource...] One way is to use the database ECHO, which can be accessed using telnet. (Warning: This is a really slow connection ! But it is multilangual) - telnet echo.x25.sunet.se (192.36.192.17) - login ECHO - Choice 6 (Informations on business and economics) - Choice 2 (ECU-Calculation) - Choice 2 (1 ECU = x pound) - 1 ECU = x DEM (German Mark) 1 ECU = y USD (US Dollar) 1 USD = x/y$ 3.9.93: 1 US$ = 1.6460 DM (oops :*) For USA dudes: 3.9.93 = 9/3/93 ) 5 US$ = 8.2300 DM [From The PROBE Team, University of Bremen, Bremen, Germany] ============================================== 5. (2) What's the definition of the word acme? [Rick: There are lots of places to find these. A Veronica search on 'dictionary' will pull up more than you need. Here's our winner's answer...] Yanoff lists Webster Dictionary Servers telnet to chem.ucsd.edu login: webster asks for word: acme ac-me \'ak-meE\ [Gk akmeE point, highest point -- more at EDGE] :the highest point or stage; also: one that represents perfection of the thing expressed syn see SUMMIT [From Sathya Narayanaswamy, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A.] ================================================================== 6. (3) How many libraries at Harvard University have a copy of the book "Preparing for the Twenty First Century", by Paul Kennedy? Six. Asking veronica about 'Harvard Library' We found some references to HOLLIS, the on-line library in Harvard. Telnetting to HOLLIS (telnet://hollis.harvard.edu:23/) I had access to HU Union Catalog of the Harvard libraries Giving the keywords "TI Preparing for the Twenty First Century" I found: HU TITLE: Preparing for the twenty-first century / Paul Kennedy. LOCATION: Baker Business: Core CB161.K44 1993 Countway Medicine: Aesc. Soc. Kennedy C5 - Enter DISPLAY C5 for circulation information Hilles: CB161.K44 1993 NEW BOOK SHELF C4 - Enter DISPLAY C4 for circulation information Kennedy Sch of Gov: CB161.K44 1993 C2 - Enter DISPLAY C2 for circulation information Lamont: CB161.K44 1993 C3 - Enter DISPLAY C3 for circulation information Widener: Ordered--received C1 - Enter DISPLAY C1 for circulation information [From Borja Toron Antons, Universidad de Cantabria, Santander, Spain] ===================================================================== 7. (2) What percentage of the population of Bosnia-Herzegovina was Muslim, Serb, and Croat before 1992? This is a job for the CIA. (world factbook, that is.) csh> gopher gopher.psi.com 11. Search the Internet/ 3. Index of other gophers "cia" 1. CIA 92 World Factbook (by country)/ 32. Bosnia_and_Herzegovinia In here, you will find a section about the population percentages. Search for "muslim", you will find that muslim=44%, serb-33%, and croat=17%. BTW: a similar search through Yugoslavia in the 1991 edition turns up serb=36.3%, croat=19.7% and muslim=8.9%, all data from a 1981 census. [From: Ray Lehtiniemi, University of Alberta, Edmonton, Canada] ================================================================== 8. (3) Who were some of the cast of the late 70s English situation comedy, "Fawlty Towers"? [Rick: This turned out to be the tough one. If you got at least 3 cast members, I gave you credit. There were two main solutions, the first utilized a Veronica search, and is demonstrated by The MWC Hunt Club...] ANSWER: John Clesse, Prunella Scales, Andrew Sachs, connie Booth and Brian Hall are some of the cast of the UK situatin comedy, "Fawlty Towers". SEARCH STRATEGY: Telnet info.umd.edu 11. Access to Other... 4. gopher and Informaiton servers/ 2. Search titles in gopherspace by veronica 6. Search gopherspace by veronica at PSINet search for sitcom 1. The definitive UK sitcom list/ search for Fawlty Towers 1. The definitive UK sitcom list a-f. [From The MWC Hunt Club, (geographically distributed)] ---- [Rick: ...and the second method involved an archie search to find the listings at wiretap.spies.com, as shown by our team winners, Team MindVox] archie search for 'fawlty' reveals... anonymous FTP to wiretap.spies.com file is /Library/Media/Tv/fawlty.epi >From file: main cast Basil Fawlty: John Cleese Sybil Fawlty: Prunella Scales Polly: Connie Booth Manuel: Andrew Sachs Extras for first show: Lord Melbury - Michael Gwynn Danny Brown - Robin Ellis Major Gowen - Ballard Berkeley Sir Richard Morris - Martin Wyldeck Mr. MacKenzie - David Simeon Mr. Wareing - Terence Conoley Mr. Watson - Lionel Wheeler [From Team MindVox, MindVox Systems, New York, New York, U.S.A.] ----- [Rick: ...but the ever clever Hunters managed to find other routes to this info. For example, the Hawk Knows Team scratched up another source via FTP...] The main cast members are as follows: Basil Fawlty: John Cleese Sybil Fawlty: Prunella Scales Polly: Connie Booth Manuel: Andrew Sacks telnet archie.unl.edu substring search on "fawlty" ftp to ftp.uu.net directory /usenet/rec.arts.tv/fawltytowers get fawlty.towers This file is an episode guide for the television program. I was actually looking for a new location for the archives formerly at cathouse.nsci.uiuc.edu, which had a whole bunch of stuff like this. [From The Hawk Knows Team, Iowa City, Iowa, U.S.A.] ----- [Rick, and our individual winner came up with a really unique approach...] gopher to Infoslug at UC SAnta Cruz The World Wide Area Information Server( WAIS) databases Arts Film Search the Tv and Film credit database of rec.arts.movies with index "Fawlty Towers" Lists four entries but only one matches Fawlty Towers. it is the one listed for Cleese,John. John Cleese acted in it. I also decided to search my Library at Virginia Tech. telnet vtls.cc.vt.edu t/towers,fawlty did no yield anything so I tried a/cleese,john this gave "FAWLTY TOWERS : Video CBS-FOX" Ask for a longer description by typing "CA" There are added entries for Scales,Prunella and Andrew,Sachs Search a/sachs,andrew yields the same. Since he is not listed as author( Cleese and Booth) or as producer/director( Davies, Argent and Spiers) he must be an actor. The same applies for Scales,Prunella too. [From Sathya Narayanaswamy, Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A.] ========================================================== 9. (2) What does a '+' mean in the file inet.services.txt? [Rick: Here's a Veronica approach...] search veronica for inet.services.txt it's the Yanoff Guide !!! a + designates new entries since the last update [From Cindy Robinson, Ayala High School, Cal Poly Pomona, California, U.S.A.] ----- [Rick: ...and here's an archie approach.] Using archie on archie.au (telnet and log in as archie) and doing the command "prog inet.services.txt" I found the file on the ftp site nigel.msen.com which was in the directory /pub/gopher/stuff/special-inet-services. It looks like it was in the gopher server as well so I checked there and found (after much wading through menus with modified names) the following extract >from the file: * SPECIAL INTERNET CONNECTIONS: Last Update: 8/16/93 * * Compiled By: Scott Yanoff - yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu * * A + by an entry designates new entries/changes since last update * * Finger yanoff@csd4.csd.uwm.edu to find ways to receive this list! Hence a '+' indicates that the denoted information is new! [From Craig Richmond, University of Western Australia, Nedlands, Western Australia, Australia] ============================================================= 10. (2) How much does it cost to join the fencing club at the University of Tasmania? [Rick: Ya gotta love the Net! David Gerdes in Illinois, uses a resouce in Italy, to find an answer in Tasmania! It's too trite to say "small world". How about "different world"?] In 1993, students are charged only $12.00 to join TUFC, while non-students are charged $45.00. There is an additional charge of $1.00 each training night to help the Club replace broken equipment and purchase new equipment. ... Source: Veronica search at University of Pisa for directories containing the keywords "fencing tasmania". Select 1. "Fencing in Tasmania" Gave me a document at "gopher://info.utas.edu.au:70/" which was not enough information. Openning that gopher server select: 12. Societies, Clubs & Associations 1. Fencing Club 6. Costs [From David Gerdes, U.S. Army, Champaign, Illinois, U.S.A.] ========================================================================= Extra Credit. (1) The National Science Foundation provides the high-speed backbone network that ties together many of the Nets in the U.S.A. and provides links to other countries. How many bytes traversed the NSFNet backbone in July of this year? [Rick: I judged each of the below answers to be correct, as they are both reported byte figures for NSF traffic from nic.merit.edu. The only reason I can think of for the disparity is that perhaps the file nsf-9307.highlights include T1 traffic. But that doesn't seem right either. Perhaps someone out there can give us poor Hunters (or at least the poor Huntmeisters), an explanation] ----- 7.4 terabytes. I used Veronica to search for "nsf or backbone". None of the resulting items specifically addressed July of 1993. However, several items pointed me to additional info via anonymous ftp at site nic.merit.edu, changing to directory /nsfnet/statistics. I issued the ftp command, then cd to change to the appropriate directory. After listing the files, I changed to the 1993 directory beneath the statistics directory. There I found the file nsf-9307.highlights, which seemed promising. I issued the "get" command to transfer the file: /nsfnet/statistics/1993/nsf-9307.highlights NSFNET Traffic Distribution Highlights July 1993 Packet Total: 38,490,966,200 Byte Total: 7,367,382,469,700 [From Ken Horowitz, Public Access Unix of New York, New York, U.S.A.] ----- 2. Search gopherspace using veronica at PSINet Search: backbone 71. Statistics collection for NSFNET backbone services. This is a mail message that contains a pointer to more info: [stuff deleted] While Merit reports summary statistics in its short reports to the community about NSFNET backbone services, a more comprehensive bren of traffic is available for anonymous ftp from nic.merit.edu. anonymous ftp to nic.merit.edu cd /nsfnet/statistics get history.bytes NSFNET Byte Traffic History (in billions of bytes) 1991 1992 1993 Jan 2256 4782 Feb 2371 5015 Mar 1268 2761 6053 Apr 1402 2848 6219 May 1442 3061 5845 Jun 1244 3274 6195 Jul 1594 3373 6389 <--- Aug 1484 3200 Sep 1769 3315 Oct 1879 3903 Nov 1959 4651 Dec 1956 4372 So the answer is 6389 GB. [From the Confusion Team, University of Texas, Austin, Texas, U.S.A.] =================================================================== Mystery Questions: I came across this one while working on question number 10. I suspect that I was just burning a little midnight oil, and thus missed something very simple. So tell me, "In what city is the University of Tasmania located?" Hobart, and/or Launceston Using gopher, and starting at scilibx.ucsc.edu, select, The World Other Internet Gopher Servers Pacific University of Tasmania University of Tasmania Campus Information Services Alumni Services Read both: Alumni Application Form, and Alumni Information Sheet References to both cities are used. It appears that the campus is between two cities, so depending on the specific area of the University you try to reach, it could be in one of the two cities. [From Andy Gilbert, North Carolina State Government, North Carolina, U.S.A.] --------------------------------------------------- Rick Gates rgates@nic.cic.net Student & Lecturer Univ. of Arizona (602) 621-3958 1515 E. 1st St. Tucson, AZ 85719 .