Subj : Re: unixs on a 386
To   : Charles Angelich
From : David Drummond
Date : Thu Nov 22 2001 11:13 am

Charles

21 Nov 01 03:46, Charles Angelich wrote to David Drummond:

 DD>>>> The 486DX2-66 I'm sitting at writing this has two 4.5 gig
 DD>>>> drives in it. 

 CA>>> I think you and everyone reading this realizes I was
 CA>>> referring to original equipment? 

 DD>> One of them was the original equipment. This machine was
 DD>> not purchased "off the shelf". I bought the parts and
 DD>> assembled it to the specs I wanted. I built it to run the
 DD>> BBS on OS/2. 

 CA> A `white box' is not what most refer to as original equipment. 

It was the drive that originally came with the machine (albeit requiring 
assembly).

 DD>> The only one of those I've had was a DOS package. NSCA
 DD>> telnet and packet drives. All Linux installs I've done had
 DD>> full workstation capabilities. 

 CA> Yes, but we weren't counting how many installs you've done. We
 CA> were discussing installs on normal (not white box) 80386's. 

Ah so now you're putting limits on the 386? Axactly what specs am I allowed to 
use in this 386 based machine whe I find it to test the Linux install?

 DD>>>> You want a copy of the CD? 

 CA> No. I want some of the people who enjoy insulting my
 CA> intelligence to either prove they are right or admit they were
 CA> just having fun at other newbies expense. 

Some may actually be telling the truth. Linux (particularly the earlier 
versions) will run on a 386 based computer.

 CA> You could probably learn twice as much trying to install OBERON
 CA> on an 80386. You'd be much much smarter than the other guys are. 

I don't have a working 386. When I get one, I will be installing Linux on it. I 
don't know what Oberon is.

 CA> I believe that is what you believe. I cannot find a working
 CA> version anywhere. Something is wrong with this picture? 

I have offered to make 1.1.59 available to you.

 CA>>> People don't retain detailed memories of old hardware. You
 CA>>> may have had one server with students shelled into that or
 CA>>> the student machines may have been 486's that you thought
 CA>>> were 386's? I don't know. 

 DD>> Each student had their individual machine, and a set of the
 DD>> install disks. 

 CA> I believe that they could bring up the system eventually. That
 CA> it would just sit there and do nothing may not have been
 CA> relevant to the student. It would matter to me. 

They sent each other mail over the TCP/IP based LAN they installed, learned 
basic *nix commands, wrote basic shell scripts etc. All in real time.

Nowdays we give them Celeron 933 based machines to do it. The 386s were trashed 
long ago.

 DD>> When you're ready to download it, speak up. I will post it
 DD>> on an FTP server. 

 CA> I downloaded a 12 meg file once trying to get a network card
 CA> working that everyone insisted would work. It didn't. I've
 CA> tilted enough windmills in my time. 

What sort of network card? All I've ever tried have worked - from strange 8 bit 
clones of an NE1000, to the current range of Intel 100mbps models.

Regards,
David

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