Subj : Re: "Hams to the Rescue After Katrina" MSNBC News Article To : alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.policy From : N2EY Date : Thu Sep 29 2005 03:28:46 From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf Charlie wrote: > Tom if what you say is true about no works = no faith and > subsequently no > salvation...where were the good works from the thief on the > cross who, > according to Christian scripture, was saved and is already in > heaven? I can answer that one.. One of the thieves was reportedly cussing and making fun, challenging Him to prove He was better than they were. The "good thief" told the "bad thief" to be quiet, because while they deserved what they got, He had done nothing wrong. Then the "good thief" asked to be remembered. It may not seem like much of a "good work", but it was all the good thief could do. His faith came very near the end of his life. But what about those whose faith comes much earlier in life? 73 de Jim, N2EY > > -- > > Charlie > > > > > > > "Tom Donaly" wrote in message > news:KHI_e.1509$rl1.1349@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net... > > kashe@sonic.net wrote: > >>>Tom Donaly wrote: > >>> > >>>>Faith and works are, like voltage and current, inextricably intertwined. > >> > >> > >> They are not. > >> > >> > >>>>The proof of faith is the good work. Those who do no good have no faith. > >> > >> > >> Your logic book get lost in the hurricane? Come back when you > >> can name the logical fallacy you just committed. > > > > Some of the lower forms of American Christianity try to separate faith > > and works. That allows them salvation without substance, the lazy man's > > path to life without end. > > My last two sentences are statements of truth, not a logical > > progression. Each has to be taken alone, by itself. (A religious > > fundamentalist insisting on logical consistency constitutes a > > pretty good joke.) Let me repeat: Those who do no good have no > > faith. Next time you and your friends are sitting around speaking > > in tongues, you should discuss this. Maybe, if you all think real > > hard, together, you can puzzle out what it means. > > 73, > > Tom Donaly, KA6RUH .