Subj : Re: "Hams to the Rescue After Katrina" MSNBC News Article To : alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.policy From : Cecil Moore Date : Mon Sep 26 2005 14:33:22 From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf Matt Osborn wrote: > Atheism is exactly the same in all fundamental respects as any other > religion. If an atheist believes only in things that can be proven using the scientific method, he is the *exact opposite* of a religious person who substitutes blind faith for scientific inquiry. > Atheism, in other words doesn't exist, it cannot exist in > any real sense. This is known in scientific logic as begging the question. The onus of proof is upon you to first prove that a supreme supernatural being exists. Only after you accomplish that scientific feat of classic logic would you be in a position to discuss the implications. > Rather than I proving that an elephant can't fly, why > don't you prove that it can? The onus of proof is upon the person who asserts the positive premise which is: "God exists." Until you prove your premise, all of your arguments are easily recognized as logical diversions. Therefore all of your statements must be prefaced with: "If and only if my particular God exists, ...". If the existence of God were ever proven beyond a reasonable doubt and atheists continued to disbelieve, then atheism would become a religion, but not before. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp .