Subj : Re: "Hams to the Rescue After Katrina" MSNBC News Article
To   : alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.policy
From : Zoran Brlecic
Date : Mon Sep 26 2005 02:11:34

From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf

Matt Osborn wrote:


>>Well, then, you're clearly wrong, because I, for one, along with 
>>millions of other people, am an atheist. I don't believe in your god, 
>>nor do I believe in any other god until you provide objective evidence 
>>instead of wishful thinking, "knowing in one's heart" and ancient myths.

> You have made no case for atheism. All you have done is list a series
> of things in which do not believe.  You have not listed what you do
> believe or in what you have placed your faith.

What difference does it make what I "believe"? When it comes to blind 
faith in the supernatural and paranormal, I believe none of it until it 
can be scientifically repeated, falsified and explained. Other than 
that, I believe the Sun will rise tomorrow and I believe in peace and 
love, and I believe I'll have a beer. But please don't go confusing 
these three "beliefs" with the belief in the supernatural. This is the 
equivocation game and it's dishonest.

> Atheism is a logically faulty concept.  Being human, you cannot
> possibly know everything.

What difference does this make? I don't know how the Universe began and 
quite possibly no one will ever know exactly, but does that mean we can 
simply pull the "answers" out of our asses? I am not playing the god of 
the gaps game either. That's just stupid.

> What you may think of the unknown is
> entirely up to you, but whatever that may be, will require just as
> much faith as any other religion.  Your religion simply has different
> trappings.

[sigh] I suppose it's hopeless.

You keep blindly repeating what your voodoo practitioners told you, and 
are unwilling to accept that atheists get to define what atheism is - 
not you. So feel free to believe (no pun) that atheism is religion or 
that atheists "deny" God, but I am telling you that the only thing that 
atheism is, is the absence of belief in gods. Period.

And to everyone's relief, this will be my last post. Whoever wants to 
follow up is free to transfer the discussion to alt.atheism, soc.atheism 
or talk.atheism.

73 ... WA7AA

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