Subj : Re: "Hams to the Rescue After Katrina" MSNBC News Article
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From : Matt Osborn
Date : Fri Sep 23 2005 18:04:01

From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:50:56 -0700, Richard Clark <kb7qhc@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 09:54:20 -0500, Matt Osborn <> wrote:
>>No Richard, it didn't originate from me. 
>Again, in contradiction with:
>>I merely presented the views
>with an affirmation of it being speculation:
>>of others in a new light.
>This is commonly known as putting your words in other's mouths. Again,
>self-fulfilling prophecy.
>
>>So you think everyone else should be the arbiter?  Or perhaps that
>>anybody else should be the arbiter?
>
>Hi Matt,
>
>A very strange question.  You offer it in terms of a projection.  The
>question:
>>So you think everyone else should be the arbiter?
>Is phrased not about a neutral subject, who should be arbiter, but
>rather is couched as do I think....  
>
>The neutral context would have simply asked: Who should be arbiter?
>
>What I think is expressed by me, not you.  You might ask questions,
>but phrasing them in speculative terms and projecting them into my
>mind is a prejudicial bias.
>
>>Once again though, we digress from the argument. Does an atheist
>>believe in anything outside himself?  I submit that he most certainly
>>does.  You have admitted as much when you introduced ethics which
>>requires a basis.
>
>See what I mean?  You have injected your own belief by asserting I
>made an admission.  An admission is a loaded statement in a Christian
>cultural context relating to guilt.  You could have as easily pointed
>out I raised the subject, which is a neutral observation.  As such,
>this bias is inserting itself as a judgment of the moral validity and
>application of otherwise bland statements.
>
>>Feel free to present an argument that rebuts any of those points.
>
>Once you free yourself of contextual prejudices.

No Richard, you have apparently run out of cogent thoughts and have
now resorted to attacking me personally instead of addressing the
issue.

On what basis may an atheist be ethical or moral?


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