Subj : Re: "Hams to the Rescue After Katrina" MSNBC News Article
To   : alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf,rec.radio.amateur.antenna,rec.radio.amateur.dx,rec.radio.amateur.equipment,rec.radio.amateur.policy
From : Matt Osborn
Date : Fri Sep 23 2005 10:54:20

From Newsgroup: alt.ham-radio.vhf-uhf

On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 20:32:30 -0700, Richard Clark <kb7qhc@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:56:39 -0500, Matt Osborn <> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:45:46 -0700, Richard Clark <kb7qhc@comcast.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:15:16 -0500, Matt Osborn <> wrote:
>>>
>>>>By definition, anyone who has a system of beliefs cannot consider
>>>>himself to be an atheist. 
>>>necessarily contradicts:
>>>>Most often, the atheist will insist on science or common sense as his
>>>>moral foundation.
>>
>>The contradiction lies with those who believe themselves atheists, not
>>with those who point out the contradiction.
>
>Hi Matt,
>
>Well, in fact the contradiction originated with your statements.  No
>one else theist/atheist posited them.  As to what is "believed" by
>anyone, that is a speculation when it is expressed by a third party,
>you about "them" (whomever they may be).  

No Richard, it didn't originate from me. I merely presented the views
of others in a new light.

>>I'm still waiting for an atheist to explain how it is
>>that he can have a moral point of view and not have a religious dogma.
>
>Unfortunately, you've presented yourself as being the arbiter of who
>is an atheist, and denying that classification of them by your own
>test.  This is self-fulfilling prophesy.
>

So you think everyone else should be the arbiter?  Or perhaps that
anybody else should be the arbiter?

Once again though, we digress from the argument. Does an atheist
believe in anything outside himself?  I submit that he most certainly
does.  You have admitted as much when you introduced ethics which
requires a basis.

Feel free to present an argument that rebuts any of those points.


-- msosborn at msosborn dot com

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