Subj : Re: New Wine To : Finnigann From : Newborn Date : Wed Sep 14 2005 23:41:00 Re: Re: New Wine By: Finnigann to Newborn on Wed Sep 14 2005 05:32 am > -=> Newborn wrote to Finnigann <=- > > Ne> Re: Re: New Wine > Ne> By: Finnigann to Newborn on Tue Sep 13 2005 07:22 am > > > -=> Newborn wrote to Finnigann <=- > > > Ne> Love and obedience are two sides of the same coin. If we truely > Ne> love God we > Ne> WILL obey His commandments. God is Love but He is also justice. He > Ne> loved > Ne> us enough to pay the price for our sins. But at the same time if we > Ne> reject > Ne> His love we will suffer His wrath, so yes His Love is conditional > Ne> upon our > Ne> acceptance. Those who are lost are lost due to their own rejection > Ne> of Him > Ne> NOT because He stopped loving them. > > > NO, I asked if god loves us ONLY IF we comply with his conditions. Last chan > to afirm or deny this. > God still loves us. That doesn't change. I ask you do you love God? > I love my son when he makes mistakes. Ny father loved me even when I did lov > him. > And do you discipline him for those mistakes? Did your father discipline you? Love doesn't mean you never discipline, in fact it is the opposite. If your Father (or you) really love your sons you will discipline them to correct them. Otherwise you do not really love them. We are all from God thru Adam, but we are NOT all sons of God. Son's of God are begotten thru the 'blood' of Christ and the indwelling Holy Spirit. God will discipline His sons to correct them. The children of Adam perish because they reject God's love. It is NOT only a question of God's love but our love and acception of Him. > Does god require a step from us before he loves us? It seems to be what you' > saying And it sure soounds like that was what Spiff was saying. > That is your interpretation and a wrong one. God's love comes first but, HE does not save us with His love, we are saved by His payment on the cross for our sins. God does NOT open the Gates of Heaven because of His love, but does provide a way in because of that love. > > > > Is Spiff saying just the oppisite? > > > > Ne> I don't really think so. He's concerned about repentence and > > Ne> obedience. > > Ne> Both are signs of reliance upon the Lord for our Salvation. > > > > No, it seemed to me that Spiffy was making judgments rather thanhelping - > > my harsh replys. > > Ne> Spiff was saying no more or less then what the word of God says > Ne> about > Ne> the practice of Homosexuality. The good news is that Jesus died for > Ne> this > Ne> sin as well as others. Many Homosexuals do not accept it is sin, > Ne> but Warp4 > Ne> appears to be different and seems to have accepted the Lord as His > Ne> Savior. > > > So, it's true, god loves us IF we go by his rules. > No, is I stated above God's love is independent from His justice. He can (and always does love) but will judge. He's like the judge that sentences a party to jail even when the offender may be his child. He can love, but because of His position He can still inflict punishment if the guilty party refuses His offer of pardon. > I can do better than that. And I'm just a man. > Ah but you are JUST a man. Can you offer forgiveness? You can't even pay the penalty for you own sins how can you pay the penalty for others? > > > > > > I'll go a step further, I think organized religion has hurt alot of peopl > > the people that want to follow, religion turns some away - for no good re > > > Ne> Of course it has. That's because religion is man's approach to God > Ne> thru man > Ne> means and NOT God's. The Lord offers Salvation thru what HE had > Ne> done for > Ne> us. He has made His righteousness available to us, but WE have to > Ne> acccept > Ne> it. It's a FREE gift available to all, why is that so hard to > Ne> understand? > > > > Then Warp shoud be able to do as Angus suggested. To seek out what is true f > him without the aide and direction of a church and the staff there in. > He alredy found the truth by acknowledging Christ as His Savior. He already said He has. Why does Angus (and you) think he's made that decision under duress? People come to Christ thru His word every day why shouldn't warp4. Yes, I do believe he is saved but he knows what the Bible says about homosexualty and is seeking answers thru God's word. I do hope he stays around that that we can help him find those answers. > Though it needs no saying... I have NO vested interest in what ever decides > himself. I was just ticked off over Spiff's declaration that Warp ws less th > he is because of his sexual orientation. > Sin (not just homosexualty) makes us all less then we can be in God's sight but we have a remedy for forgiveness and cleasing in Christ. > > > The majority of people think sexual preferences are not a choice. The SEX > > is too well ingrained into the psych (whoever introduced words into langu > > beginning with 'psych' should be publicly humiliated!) to be a choice. > > > Ne> Sex was given to man and women for having children. It is a > Ne> beuatiful > Ne> expression of love between the sexs. Sin has so corrupted that > Ne> original > Ne> purpose that we not accepted everything from beastiallity to > Ne> homosexuality > Ne> as normal sex. > > You don't accept anything for me. And you shouldn't be making pronouncements > for anyone. > Your right you have the freedom to do what you wish. But you're WRONG when you say I shouldn't be proclaiming what the Bible says. > I love how it works between men and women, But my views on this are not > everyones. Nor should they be. > They should however be the RIGHT one. Truth is absolute not relative. > ... A day without sunshine is like, night. ... Darkness flees from the light (Jesus). Newborn Christianity is a personal relationship, not a religion --- þ Synchronet þ Origin: The Hard Drive Cafe - Montgomery Al USA - www.hdcbbs.net .