Subj : Re: New Wine To : Newborn From : Finnigann Date : Wed Sep 14 2005 03:32:00 -=> Newborn wrote to Finnigann <=- Ne> Re: Re: New Wine Ne> By: Finnigann to Newborn on Tue Sep 13 2005 07:22 am > -=> Newborn wrote to Finnigann <=- > > Ne> Re: Re: New Wine > Ne> By: Finnigann to Newborn on Mon Sep 12 2005 06:07 am > > > -=> Newborn wrote to Finnigann <=- > > > > Did not Jesus tech love and understanding? Are not those principals in th > > bible? > > > Ne> Jesus taught Love, even of your enemy. He also said His disciples > Ne> will > Ne> follow His commandments. While Jesus taught understanding He also > Ne> taught > Ne> obedience. He who forgave the Prostitue also said "Go and sin no > Ne> more." > > Is one conditional on the other? Doesn't the bible say god is love? or is th > conditional at times too? > Ne> Love and obedience are two sides of the same coin. If we truely Ne> love God we Ne> WILL obey His commandments. God is Love but He is also justice. He Ne> loved Ne> us enough to pay the price for our sins. But at the same time if we Ne> reject Ne> His love we will suffer His wrath, so yes His Love is conditional Ne> upon our Ne> acceptance. Those who are lost are lost due to their own rejection Ne> of Him Ne> NOT because He stopped loving them. NO, I asked if god loves us ONLY IF we comply with his conditions. Last chance to afirm or deny this. I love my son when he makes mistakes. Ny father loved me even when I did love him. Does god require a step from us before he loves us? It seems to be what you're saying And it sure soounds like that was what Spiff was saying. > > Is Spiff saying just the oppisite? > > Ne> I don't really think so. He's concerned about repentence and > Ne> obedience. > Ne> Both are signs of reliance upon the Lord for our Salvation. > > No, it seemed to me that Spiffy was making judgments rather thanhelping - he > my harsh replys. Ne> Spiff was saying no more or less then what the word of God says Ne> about Ne> the practice of Homosexuality. The good news is that Jesus died for Ne> this Ne> sin as well as others. Many Homosexuals do not accept it is sin, Ne> but Warp4 Ne> appears to be different and seems to have accepted the Lord as His Ne> Savior. So, it's true, god loves us IF we go by his rules. I can do better than that. And I'm just a man. > > > I'll go a step further, I think organized religion has hurt alot of people. > the people that want to follow, religion turns some away - for no good reaso > Ne> Of course it has. That's because religion is man's approach to God Ne> thru man Ne> means and NOT God's. The Lord offers Salvation thru what HE had Ne> done for Ne> us. He has made His righteousness available to us, but WE have to Ne> acccept Ne> it. It's a FREE gift available to all, why is that so hard to Ne> understand? Then Warp shoud be able to do as Angus suggested. To seek out what is true for him without the aide and direction of a church and the staff there in. Though it needs no saying... I have NO vested interest in what ever decides for himself. I was just ticked off over Spiff's declaration that Warp ws less than he is because of his sexual orientation. > The majority of people think sexual preferences are not a choice. The SEX dr > is too well ingrained into the psych (whoever introduced words into language > beginning with 'psych' should be publicly humiliated!) to be a choice. > Ne> Sex was given to man and women for having children. It is a Ne> beuatiful Ne> expression of love between the sexs. Sin has so corrupted that Ne> original Ne> purpose that we not accepted everything from beastiallity to Ne> homosexuality Ne> as normal sex. You don't accept anything for me. And you shouldn't be making pronouncements for anyone. I love how it works between men and women, But my views on this are not everyones. Nor should they be. .... A day without sunshine is like, night. --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.46 .