Subj : Re: New Wine
To   : Finnigann
From : Newborn
Date : Wed Sep 14 2005 01:23:00

  Re: Re: New Wine
  By: Finnigann to Newborn on Tue Sep 13 2005 07:22 am

 > -=> Newborn wrote to Finnigann <=-
 > 
 >  Ne>   Re: Re: New Wine
 >  Ne>   By: Finnigann to Newborn on Mon Sep 12 2005 06:07 am
 > 
 >  > -=> Newborn wrote to Finnigann <=-
 >  >
 >  > Did not Jesus tech love and understanding? Are not those principals in th
 >  > bible?
 >  >
 >  Ne>    Jesus taught Love, even of your enemy.  He also said His disciples
 >  Ne> will
 >  Ne>    follow His commandments.  While Jesus taught understanding He also
 >  Ne> taught
 >  Ne>    obedience.  He who forgave the Prostitue also said "Go and sin no
 >  Ne> more."
 > 
 > Is one conditional on the other? Doesn't the bible say god is love? or is th
 > conditional at times too?
 > 
   Love and obedience are two sides of the same coin.  If we truely love God we
   WILL obey His commandments.  God is Love but He is also justice.  He loved  
   us enough to pay the price for our sins.  But at the same time if we reject
   His love we will suffer His wrath, so yes His Love is conditional upon our
   acceptance.  Those who are lost are lost due to their own rejection of Him
   NOT because He stopped loving them.


 >  > Is Spiff saying just the oppisite?
 > 
 >  Ne>    I don't really think so.  He's concerned about repentence and
 >  Ne> obedience.
 >  Ne>    Both are signs of reliance upon the Lord for our Salvation.
 > 
 > No, it seemed to me that Spiffy was making judgments rather thanhelping - he
 > my harsh replys.
   
   Spiff was saying no more or less then what the word of God says about   
   the practice of Homosexuality.  The good news is that Jesus died for this
   sin as well as others.  Many Homosexuals do not accept it is sin, but Warp4
   appears to be different and seems to have accepted the Lord as His Savior.
 
 > 
 >  >
 >  > And as far as the rest of religion goes... well it can't go far enough.
 >  >
 >  > ... 665: The Sign of the Beast's neighbor
 > 
 >  Ne>    Let me add one further comment.  Religion never saves anyone, it is
 >  Ne> Jesus
 >  Ne>    Christ who paid the penalty for our sin not religion.  Judas was a
 >  Ne> disciple
 >  Ne>    and yet he was not a believer.  A person can be a believer without
 >  Ne> being a
 >  Ne>    disciple, but one has to believe before he can become a true
 >  Ne> Disciple in the
 >  Ne>    Lord.
 > 
 > 
 > I'll go a step further, I think organized religion has hurt alot of people. 
 > the people that want to follow, religion turns some away - for no good reaso
 >
   Of course it has.  That's because religion is man's approach to God thru man
   means and NOT God's.  The Lord offers Salvation thru what HE had done for  
   us.  He has made  His righteousness available to us, but WE have to acccept
   it.  It's a FREE gift available to all, why is that so hard to understand?

 > The majority of people think sexual preferences are not a choice. The SEX dr
 > is too well ingrained into the psych (whoever introduced words into language
 > beginning with 'psych' should be publicly humiliated!) to be a choice.
 > 
   Sex was given to man and women for having children.  It is a beuatiful
   expression of love between the sexs.  Sin has so corrupted that original
   purpose that we not accepted everything from beastiallity to homosexuality
   as normal sex.

Newborn

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