Subj : Is Jesus the Messiah?
To   : George Pope
From : Spiffwiggler
Date : Tue Oct 18 2005 08:36:00

  Re: Is Jesus the Messiah?
  By: George Pope to Newborn on Sun Oct 16 2005 14:11:00

 > N> Genesis 49:10  "The sceptre shall not depart form Judah, nor a lawgiver f
 > N>                 between his feet, until he comes to Shiloh; and unto him
 > N>                 shall the gathering of the people be."
 > N>
 > N> The Messiah was to come from the tribe of Judah - Jesus Did (Heb 7:14)
 > 
 > So have millions of others!
 > 
 > N> The Messiah was to be a descendant of David - Jesus was! (Luke 1:32,33)
 > 
 > No he wasn't!
 > 
 > The Messiah was to be the SEED of Jesse/David (ie. through the MALE lineage 
 > and the gospels clearly state that Jesus was not the blood son of Joseph!)
 > 
 > N> The Messiah was to be born of a virgin. (The Hebrew word for "young woman
 > N> is 'alam'.  In each of its seven uses in the Tenach, it means 'virgin'.)
 > N> - Jesus was! (Matt. 1:14-25)
 > 
 > No, "almah" means "young woman"; if "virgin" was meant, the Hebrew word is
 > "Bethulah" -- if God meant "virgin"(specifically, as opposed to "maiden") He
 > would certainly have  made a point of saying so.
 > 
 > The virgin birth concept comes from Persian mythology (keyword: Mithra)
 > 
 > So the original translators of the new testament erred in their
 > translation/interpretation of Isaiah. . .
 > 
 > N> The Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem Ephrathah - Jesus was! (Matt 2:1-
 > 
 > As were many others.
 > The prophecy doesn't say he was to be BORN in Bethlehem,just that he'd be FR
 > there (Jesus was from there, as well as from Nazareth, as well as came up fr
 > Egypt)
 > 
 > N> Psalm 2:7       "I will tell of the decree; The Lord said unto me: 'Thou
 > N>                  art MY SON, This say have I begotten thee."
 > N>
 > N> The Messiah is to be the SON of God - Jesus is! (John 3:16-18)
 > 
 > Then why does Jesus himself constantly affirm himself as the son of [a] MAN?
 > (ie. Joseph)
 > 
 > Will you take Jesus' own words on it(as documented by 4 writers) or John's
 > posthumous claim of something aberrant to the previously established facts?
 > 
 > Anyway, it doesn't matter if Jesus fulfilled 500 prophecies, if he missed EV
 > ONE it invalidates any claim and he missed far more than one:
 > 
 > Let's look at Hebrew Biblical prophecy, for some of the prophetic
 > signs of the Messiah:
 > 
 > * To bring about eternal Peace between the nations-
 >           Isaiah 2:4; Micah4:3; Zechariah 9:9-10;
 >           Ezekiel 39:9;Isaiah 11:6
 > * To bring about an end to idolatry--
 >           Zechariah 13:2; Isaiah 2:18; Zephaniah 2:11
 > * To make the world recognize that Gd is, indeed, Gd--
 >           Isaiah 11:9;40:5; Isaiah 52:1;66:23;
 >           Jeremiah 3:17;31:34
 > * to re-establish the dynasty of King David, from whom the Messiah
 >   will be able to trace his own lineage through his own biological
 >   father --
 >           Isaiah 11:1
 > * To cause the Ingathering of the 12 tribes --
 >           Isaiah 27:12ff; 11:12; Ezekiel 37:1ff
 > * To rebuild the Temple --
 >           Micah 4:1
 > * To remove famine from the earth--
 >           Ezekiel 37:1ff
 > * To make the world (or at least the carnivorous animals) into
 > vegetarians--
 >           Isaiah 11:7
 > .
 > He didn't do ANY of all the above!
 > Any one of which, missing, invalidates a claim to be Messiah!
 > 
 > Because I care,
 > |<+]::-)  (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))
 > 
 > 
 > ... nfx v3.1
 > 
Not all of the prophecy has been fulfilled. People forget that there of
different types of prophecy. Some prophecy applies to the times of early
Christians, some applies to later dates. There is past present and future
prophecy. I will get into more of this over the weekend when I have more time.


-Rev. Michael E. Washbunr

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