Subj : Today's Thought
To   : Newborn
From : George Pope
Date : Sun Oct 16 2005 14:45:00

N>    You claim to have read Isaiah, then yoy should KNOW that it is not a
N>    allegorical meaning referring to Isreal, but the NAME given God encarnate
N>    Isaiah, your own prophet, told King Ahaz that the Lord was willing to giv
N>    his a sign, involving a great miracle, but Ahaz was not willing to consid
N>    God's Word.  Since Ahaz refused the preoffered sign, God in due time woul
N>    give the whole House of David that same sign with the Birth of Jesus, the
N>    'seed of women' virgin born and the SON of God.

In Biblical idiom, "seed" always refers to sperm(ie. of male lineage)

N>  > And not even in your own Scriptures is Jesus even ONCE called "Immanual"!
N>  > So where is it fulfilled even if you are going to call it literal?
N>  >
N>    Matthew 1:22,23 where Matthew says "Now all this was done, that it might
N>    be FULFILLED which was SPOKEN OF THE LORD by the prophet, saying
N>    BEHOLD, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a SON, and
N>    they shall call His NAME EMMANUAL. which being interpreted IS GOD WITH US

Right, he said it of himself, but nowhere is it recorded he was CALLED
Immanuel!

N>  > N>  > Scripture quote: "each man shall die for his own sin"
N>  > N>  >
N>  > N>          Isaiah 53:8   "for he was cut off out of the land of the livi
N>  > N>                         for the transgression (sins) of my people was
N>  > N>                         stricken."
N>  >
N>  > This could be referring to the nation as a whole, or even to the scapegoa
N>  > designated for Azazel by the high priest on Yom Kippur.
N>  >
N>    It cannot be referring in Isreal because of the personnal pronoun HE.  He
N>    died for "my people" - that is Isreal - shows that that the servant in th
N>    passage is NOT Isreal and is a MAN NOT the scapegoat.

Prophetically, Israel is often referred to as an individual (ie. "he") to
emphasize/accentuate how Israel was referred to in the singular before Mt.
Sinai, which is part of what made them worthy to receive the Torah (because
they were unified "as one" and unity pleases God)

Often, also, Israel is prophetically referred to as "Jacob"(Israel's original
name) and thus the pronoun "he" is appropriate.

Sometimes the prophet will refer to Israel as "she". . .

So there's no special significance in Isaiah saying "he". . .

Because I care,
|<+]::-)  (Cyberpope(the Bishop of ROM!))


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