Subj : Today's Thought
To   : George Pope
From : Newborn
Date : Sat Oct 15 2005 00:57:00

  Re: Today's Thought
  By: George Pope to Newborn on Fri Oct 14 2005 08:56 am

 > N>  > N>    (1)  Jesus was and still is God and  perfect Man.  His whole lif
 > N>  > N>         of His divinity and human perfection.
 > N>  >
 > N>  > On what basis, consistent with the OT, do you claim this?
 > N>  >
 > N>               Read the book of Isaiah!
 > 
 > I have, of course.
 > 
 > N>  > Scripture quote: "God is not a man"
 > N>
 > N>          Isaiah 7:14   "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign:
 > N>                         behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a SON,
 > N>                         and shall call His name Emmanual (God with us).
 > 
 > Right -- "call his name..." ie. it was consistent with Jewish naming, in tha
 > the name was meant to convey an allegorical meaning (that being that "God is
 > with us"(a reaffirmation that God is with His people, Israel, as stated in t
 > Bible)
 >    
   You claim to have read Isaiah, then yoy should KNOW that it is not a 
   allegorical meaning referring to Isreal, but the NAME given God encarnate.
   Isaiah, your own prophet, told King Ahaz that the Lord was willing to give
   his a sign, involving a great miracle, but Ahaz was not willing to consider
   God's Word.  Since Ahaz refused the preoffered sign, God in due time would
   give the whole House of David that same sign with the Birth of Jesus, the
   'seed of women' virgin born and the SON of God.


 > And not even in your own Scriptures is Jesus even ONCE called "Immanual"!
 > So where is it fulfilled even if you are going to call it literal?
 > 
   Matthew 1:22,23 where Matthew says "Now all this was done, that it might
   be FULFILLED which was SPOKEN OF THE LORD by the prophet, saying
   BEHOLD, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a SON, and 
   they shall call His NAME EMMANUAL. which being interpreted IS GOD WITH US."
       
 > N>  > Scripture quote: "each man shall die for his own sin"
 > N>  >
 > N>          Isaiah 53:8   "for he was cut off out of the land of the living
 > N>                         for the transgression (sins) of my people was he
 > N>                         stricken."
 > 
 > This could be referring to the nation as a whole, or even to the scapegoat
 > designated for Azazel by the high priest on Yom Kippur.
 > 
   It cannot be referring in Isreal because of the personnal pronoun HE.  He
   died for "my people" - that is Isreal - shows that that the servant in this
   passage is NOT Isreal and is a MAN NOT the scapegoat.

Newborn

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