Subj : The Elect of God
To   : George Pope
From : Newborn
Date : Sun Oct 09 2005 22:57:00

  Re: The Elect of God
  By: George Pope to Newborn on Thu Oct 06 2005 04:44 pm

 > N>    The idea that 'works' are necessary for Salvationis is FALSE.  It is
 > 
 > You missed my(& James') point: works are the natural EXPRESSION of salvation
 > -- just like the gifts of the spirit are the mark of a Christian, too, but t
 > absolutely deny one or more of them and/or to completely lack works, is a su
 > sign that one is NOT a member of the Elect!

   No, I didn't miss your point, I simly disagree with you.  Works are not
   'natural' expressions of Salvation.  There are many who have Salvation but
   lack works;  therefore lack of works does NOT mean lack of Salvation.

   In Revelation 22:12 Christ says, "Behold, I come quickly, and my reward
   is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be."  Entrance 
   into Heaven (Salvation) is not the question, but the 'reward' which the 
   Christian will recieve in Heaven for works done on earth, the 'crowns'
   we will cast at the feet of our Lord who redeemed us (Revekation 4:10).

   Salvation is by grace alone.  The reward received, however, is based upon
   works, which will be tested and their quality reveled at the judgement
   seat of Christ.
 > 
 > N>    Catholic theology that makes works equal with Faith.  The 'fruits'
 > N>    (works) of a believer do not save Him, it is the 'blood' of Jesus and
 > 
 > Where/when did I say the works saved anyone?
 > I said the saved one has works -- quite a different concept!
 > 
    That is simply NOT True.  The saved one may NOT have works, but,
    he STILL is saved eternally.  You are making works the means of Salvation
    when you say 'works' determine whether you are a member of the 'elect'.

Newborn

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