Subj : Re: Serenity: My Thoughtful Review To : alt.tv.farscape From : Tyler Trafford Date : Tue Oct 04 2005 20:27:27 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Rick Savoia wrote: > Tyler Trafford wrote in > news:3qfnotFer1vrU2@individual.net: > >> Jim Larson wrote: >>> Rick Savoia wrote: >>> >>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>> news:Xns96E4C0767C0B83v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>> >>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>> news:Xns96E4BD53C9BC53v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>> >>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4BAE389D1E3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4B521EB7BE3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4B19C342FD3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4ACA194E163v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Savoia wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4AC9D1F629rsavoiaNOSPAMyahooco@127.0.0.1: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:K_SdnR1O1_e93tzeRVn-jg@comcast.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RR wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got Disc 1 at the top of my Netflix queue and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to try and check out the flick this week >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> despite my ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The movie is probably just fine on its own. However, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain events lose some of their impact if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't been along for the (regrettably short) ride. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really would think that it would *have* to stand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone to be worthy of having been made on such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scale. The show's incredibly short run probably made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a fairly easy thing to accomplish. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually there is a little time lapsed between the end >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the series, beginning of the movie, and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> characters, while unchanged they have been dialed up a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'little' to recreate tensions that were alleviated in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time during the series. The time lapse is sufficient >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for series watchers to understand things are strained >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'again' and for non-series viewers to have tension and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflict to pin the story on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sci Fi had been running the eps on Fridays, and had a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marathon recently of eps... BUT, you should be able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walk into the theater without having seen the series, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first twenty minutes are laden with enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> character dialogue and camera/characters-still-moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exposition enough to let you know who everyone is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surprised I haven't seen this mentioned here, they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have resolved the Galaxy / Solar System conundrum, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pilot originally said one thing, the Series said >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another. The movie has picked Solar System. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solar System just doesn't seem big enough though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if you have a solar system of a reasonable size, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it just seems too small to support the multiple planets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and moons they've been to as well as the concept of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like the Alliance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's also very hard to lose a planet in a Solar System. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were just a Solar System, I'd have pictured the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reavers overrunning the place by now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I always thought they were in a cluster of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solar systems with a few terraformed planets/moons in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thats what I thought when I heard about the change, why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick to pulling bankjobs in California when you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go to Bolivia? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you need FTL drives to go to Bolivia. Anyway, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone knows what happens in Bolivia... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And they say Americans know nothing about world geography! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So we are fine with space travel, terra forming and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> psychic assasins but not ok with FTL travel? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prexactly! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, fine, ok, just so long as I know where to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> draw the line of sensibleness in the sand of made up >>>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff. We wouldn't want to cross that line now would we, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even if it was by using the z axis. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Damn right. That way lies madness. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Soooo just how did all those people get to a solar system >>>>>>>>>>>> that is third star from the right and keep on till dawn, >>>>>>>>>>>> without FTL travel? A sprinkling of fairy dust? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well obviously it was magic. Sheesh. Someone people...gotta >>>>>>>>>>> explain every little thing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (A single one way trip taking maybe a couple of decades or a >>>>>>>>>>> couple of centuries with most of a seed population in cold >>>>>>>>>>> storage is a different thing than zipping back and forth >>>>>>>>>>> between solar systems every five minutes.) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well to get to alpha centuri at light speed would take what >>>>>>>>>> 4.3 years so lets be generous and say you can travel at a fair >>>>>>>>>> old clip, 6 years say. >>>>>>>>>> OF course although AC is sun like so is it's companion and it >>>>>>>>>> has a red >>>>>>>>>> dwarf companion as well. Maybe not the ideal place to live. So >>>>>>>>>> we could look further afield. Barnards star, Wolf 359, Luyten >>>>>>>>>> 726-8 a and B,Ross 154 and Lalande 21185 are all red dwarfs. >>>>>>>>>> Sirius B is a white dwarf. Sirius A on the other hand is >>>>>>>>>> pretty damn hot at 10,000 degrees C and about twice as large >>>>>>>>>> as the sun.` >>>>>>>>>> We are 10+ light years out now and still >>>>>>>>>> looking.Unfortunately we have >>>>>>>>>> reached the limits of my knowledge anybody who's good at >>>>>>>>>> astronomy know where the nearest Earth like single star system >>>>>>>>>> is? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter. We will posit that in the year 2123 the >>>>>>>>> Chinindian astronomer Mohandas Lu will have discovered the >>>>>>>>> exact location of the ideal replacement solar system. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My first night at Mandarin lessons we were talking about >>>>>>>> syllables and >>>>>>>> practasing the Ai sound. The rather staid lady teaching us was >>>>>>>> saying that it was used in combination to make an impolite word. >>>>>>>> I of course without engaging my brain went "oh! you mean Aima!" >>>>>>>> Stoopid Firefly swearing getting me into trouble. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This alone would have established the rockitude of Firefly, had >>>>>>> it needed establishing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (What does it mean?) >>>>>> >>>>>> Er,bugger I meant to type Aiya, it means something like damn. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Of course even in slow than light ships with a stasised crew >>>>>>>>>> you have to >>>>>>>>>> take enough food/water so that you can feed everybody whiile >>>>>>>>>> you are terra forming the planets.Which would take years. Oh >>>>>>>>>> and you would have >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Autonomous terraforming. People stay in stasis until it's done >>>>>>>>> for at least a few planets. Robots don't get bored. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If only! The Robot Williams model may have self distructed >>>>>>>> rather >>>>>>>> inflict such harm on the humans that went to see his version of >>>>>>>> the Asimov story. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Asimov's robots were pansies. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to work out how big a population you would have to bring so >>>>>>>>>> that inbreeding didn't reduce your pioneers to such a state >>>>>>>>>> that they are distracted by shiny things, become enamoured by >>>>>>>>>> their swine, play the banjo and develop funny accents. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Super neato-keen genetic engineering = no more problems with >>>>>>>>> limited gene pool. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And yet you still have trouble with FTL travel... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes. sn-kge is an extrapolation of existing science. FTL requires >>>>>>> a refutation of relativity or some funky yet massive paradigm >>>>>>> shift. Not saying it can't happen, but it is not the path of >>>>>>> least resistance, grasshopper. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Depends on how good peoples branes are. >>>>> >>>>> Branes are best with marinara sauce. mmmmmmbranesmmmmmmm >>>>> >>>> >>>> Thrakazogg? Is that you? >>>> >>> >>> Wha?!? >> >> (A reference from The Tick cartoon.) > > "The Tick vs. the Uncommon Cold" to be exact. Get with it Larson. I Arthur! -- Tyler Trafford The attacker must vanquish; the defender need only survive. .