Subj : Re: Serenity: My Thoughtful Review To : alt.tv.farscape From : Rick Savoia Date : Tue Oct 04 2005 14:58:34 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Tyler Trafford wrote in news:3qfnotFer1vrU2@individual.net: > Jim Larson wrote: >> Rick Savoia wrote: >> >>> Jim Larson wrote in >>> news:Xns96E4C0767C0B83v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>> >>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>> news:Xns96E4BD53C9BC53v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>> >>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>> news:Xns96E4BAE389D1E3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4B521EB7BE3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4B19C342FD3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4ACA194E163v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Savoia wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4AC9D1F629rsavoiaNOSPAMyahooco@127.0.0.1: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:K_SdnR1O1_e93tzeRVn-jg@comcast.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RR wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got Disc 1 at the top of my Netflix queue and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm going to try and check out the flick this week >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> despite my ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The movie is probably just fine on its own. However, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain events lose some of their impact if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't been along for the (regrettably short) ride. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really would think that it would *have* to stand >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alone to be worthy of having been made on such a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scale. The show's incredibly short run probably made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that a fairly easy thing to accomplish. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually there is a little time lapsed between the end >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the series, beginning of the movie, and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> characters, while unchanged they have been dialed up a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'little' to recreate tensions that were alleviated in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time during the series. The time lapse is sufficient >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for series watchers to understand things are strained >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'again' and for non-series viewers to have tension and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conflict to pin the story on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sci Fi had been running the eps on Fridays, and had a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marathon recently of eps... BUT, you should be able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walk into the theater without having seen the series, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the first twenty minutes are laden with enough >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> character dialogue and camera/characters-still-moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exposition enough to let you know who everyone is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surprised I haven't seen this mentioned here, they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have resolved the Galaxy / Solar System conundrum, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pilot originally said one thing, the Series said >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another. The movie has picked Solar System. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solar System just doesn't seem big enough though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if you have a solar system of a reasonable size, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it just seems too small to support the multiple planets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and moons they've been to as well as the concept of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something like the Alliance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's also very hard to lose a planet in a Solar System. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were just a Solar System, I'd have pictured the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reavers overrunning the place by now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I always thought they were in a cluster of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solar systems with a few terraformed planets/moons in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thats what I thought when I heard about the change, why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick to pulling bankjobs in California when you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go to Bolivia? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you need FTL drives to go to Bolivia. Anyway, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone knows what happens in Bolivia... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And they say Americans know nothing about world geography! >>>>>>>>>>>>> So we are fine with space travel, terra forming and >>>>>>>>>>>>> psychic assasins but not ok with FTL travel? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Prexactly! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, fine, ok, just so long as I know where to >>>>>>>>>>>>> draw the line of sensibleness in the sand of made up >>>>>>>>>>>>> stuff. We wouldn't want to cross that line now would we, >>>>>>>>>>>>> even if it was by using the z axis. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Damn right. That way lies madness. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Soooo just how did all those people get to a solar system >>>>>>>>>>> that is third star from the right and keep on till dawn, >>>>>>>>>>> without FTL travel? A sprinkling of fairy dust? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well obviously it was magic. Sheesh. Someone people...gotta >>>>>>>>>> explain every little thing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (A single one way trip taking maybe a couple of decades or a >>>>>>>>>> couple of centuries with most of a seed population in cold >>>>>>>>>> storage is a different thing than zipping back and forth >>>>>>>>>> between solar systems every five minutes.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well to get to alpha centuri at light speed would take what >>>>>>>>> 4.3 years so lets be generous and say you can travel at a fair >>>>>>>>> old clip, 6 years say. >>>>>>>>> OF course although AC is sun like so is it's companion and it >>>>>>>>> has a red >>>>>>>>> dwarf companion as well. Maybe not the ideal place to live. So >>>>>>>>> we could look further afield. Barnards star, Wolf 359, Luyten >>>>>>>>> 726-8 a and B,Ross 154 and Lalande 21185 are all red dwarfs. >>>>>>>>> Sirius B is a white dwarf. Sirius A on the other hand is >>>>>>>>> pretty damn hot at 10,000 degrees C and about twice as large >>>>>>>>> as the sun.` >>>>>>>>> We are 10+ light years out now and still >>>>>>>>> looking.Unfortunately we have >>>>>>>>> reached the limits of my knowledge anybody who's good at >>>>>>>>> astronomy know where the nearest Earth like single star system >>>>>>>>> is? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doesn't matter. We will posit that in the year 2123 the >>>>>>>> Chinindian astronomer Mohandas Lu will have discovered the >>>>>>>> exact location of the ideal replacement solar system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My first night at Mandarin lessons we were talking about >>>>>>> syllables and >>>>>>> practasing the Ai sound. The rather staid lady teaching us was >>>>>>> saying that it was used in combination to make an impolite word. >>>>>>> I of course without engaging my brain went "oh! you mean Aima!" >>>>>>> Stoopid Firefly swearing getting me into trouble. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This alone would have established the rockitude of Firefly, had >>>>>> it needed establishing. >>>>>> >>>>>> (What does it mean?) >>>>> >>>>> Er,bugger I meant to type Aiya, it means something like damn. >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course even in slow than light ships with a stasised crew >>>>>>>>> you have to >>>>>>>>> take enough food/water so that you can feed everybody whiile >>>>>>>>> you are terra forming the planets.Which would take years. Oh >>>>>>>>> and you would have >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Autonomous terraforming. People stay in stasis until it's done >>>>>>>> for at least a few planets. Robots don't get bored. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If only! The Robot Williams model may have self distructed >>>>>>> rather >>>>>>> inflict such harm on the humans that went to see his version of >>>>>>> the Asimov story. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Asimov's robots were pansies. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to work out how big a population you would have to bring so >>>>>>>>> that inbreeding didn't reduce your pioneers to such a state >>>>>>>>> that they are distracted by shiny things, become enamoured by >>>>>>>>> their swine, play the banjo and develop funny accents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Super neato-keen genetic engineering = no more problems with >>>>>>>> limited gene pool. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And yet you still have trouble with FTL travel... >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes. sn-kge is an extrapolation of existing science. FTL requires >>>>>> a refutation of relativity or some funky yet massive paradigm >>>>>> shift. Not saying it can't happen, but it is not the path of >>>>>> least resistance, grasshopper. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Depends on how good peoples branes are. >>>> >>>> Branes are best with marinara sauce. mmmmmmbranesmmmmmmm >>>> >>> >>> Thrakazogg? Is that you? >>> >> >> Wha?!? > > (A reference from The Tick cartoon.) "The Tick vs. the Uncommon Cold" to be exact. Get with it Larson. -- "I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." - Calvin .