Subj : Re: Serenity: My Thoughtful Review To : alt.tv.farscape From : weirdwolf Date : Tue Oct 04 2005 17:14:49 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Tyler Trafford wrote in news:3qfnotFer1vrU2 @individual.net: > Jim Larson wrote: >> Rick Savoia wrote: >> >>> Jim Larson wrote in >>> news:Xns96E4C0767C0B83v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>> >>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>> news:Xns96E4BD53C9BC53v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>> >>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>> news:Xns96E4BAE389D1E3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4B521EB7BE3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4B19C342FD3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4ACA194E163v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Savoia wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4AC9D1F629rsavoiaNOSPAMyahooco@127.0.0.1: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:K_SdnR1O1_e93tzeRVn-jg@comcast.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RR wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got Disc 1 at the top of my Netflix queue and I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to try and check out the flick this week despite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The movie is probably just fine on its own. However, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain events lose some of their impact if you haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been along for the (regrettably short) ride. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really would think that it would *have* to stand alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be worthy of having been made on such a scale. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show's incredibly short run probably made that a fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy thing to accomplish. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually there is a little time lapsed between the end of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the series, beginning of the movie, and the characters, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while unchanged they have been dialed up a 'little' to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recreate tensions that were alleviated in time during the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> series. The time lapse is sufficient for series watchers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to understand things are strained 'again' and for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-series viewers to have tension and conflict to pin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the story on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sci Fi had been running the eps on Fridays, and had a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marathon recently of eps... BUT, you should be able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> walk into the theater without having seen the series, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first twenty minutes are laden with enough character >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue and camera/characters-still-moving exposition >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to let you know who everyone is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surprised I haven't seen this mentioned here, they have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolved the Galaxy / Solar System conundrum, the Pilot >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> originally said one thing, the Series said another. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> movie has picked Solar System. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solar System just doesn't seem big enough though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if you have a solar system of a reasonable size, it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just seems too small to support the multiple planets and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moons they've been to as well as the concept of something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the Alliance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's also very hard to lose a planet in a Solar System. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were just a Solar System, I'd have pictured the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reavers overrunning the place by now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I always thought they were in a cluster of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Solar systems with a few terraformed planets/moons in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> each. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thats what I thought when I heard about the change, why >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stick to pulling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bankjobs in California when you can go to Bolivia? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because you need FTL drives to go to Bolivia. Anyway, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone knows what happens in Bolivia... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And they say Americans know nothing about world geography! >>>>>>>>>>>>> So we are fine with space travel, terra forming and psychic >>>>>>>>>>>>> assasins but not ok with FTL travel? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Prexactly! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Right, fine, ok, just so long as I know where to >>>>>>>>>>>>> draw the line of sensibleness in the sand of made up stuff. >>>>>>>>>>>>> We wouldn't want to cross that line now would we, even if it >>>>>>>>>>>>> was by using the z axis. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Damn right. That way lies madness. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Soooo just how did all those people get to a solar system that >>>>>>>>>>> is third star from the right and keep on till dawn, without FTL >>>>>>>>>>> travel? A sprinkling of fairy dust? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well obviously it was magic. Sheesh. Someone people...gotta >>>>>>>>>> explain every little thing. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (A single one way trip taking maybe a couple of decades or a >>>>>>>>>> couple of centuries with most of a seed population in cold >>>>>>>>>> storage is a different thing than zipping back and forth between >>>>>>>>>> solar systems every five minutes.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well to get to alpha centuri at light speed would take what 4.3 >>>>>>>>> years so lets be generous and say you can travel at a fair old >>>>>>>>> clip, 6 years say. >>>>>>>>> OF course although AC is sun like so is it's companion and it >>>>>>>>> has a red >>>>>>>>> dwarf companion as well. Maybe not the ideal place to live. So we >>>>>>>>> could look further afield. Barnards star, Wolf 359, Luyten 726- 8 >>>>>>>>> a and B,Ross 154 and Lalande 21185 are all red dwarfs. Sirius B >>>>>>>>> is a white dwarf. Sirius A on the other hand is pretty damn hot >>>>>>>>> at 10,000 degrees C and about twice as large as the sun.` >>>>>>>>> We are 10+ light years out now and still looking.Unfortunately >>>>>>>>> we have >>>>>>>>> reached the limits of my knowledge anybody who's good at >>>>>>>>> astronomy know where the nearest Earth like single star system >>>>>>>>> is? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doesn't matter. We will posit that in the year 2123 the Chinindian >>>>>>>> astronomer Mohandas Lu will have discovered the exact location of >>>>>>>> the ideal replacement solar system. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My first night at Mandarin lessons we were talking about syllables >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> practasing the Ai sound. The rather staid lady teaching us was >>>>>>> saying that it was used in combination to make an impolite word. I >>>>>>> of course without engaging my brain went "oh! you mean Aima!" >>>>>>> Stoopid Firefly swearing getting me into trouble. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This alone would have established the rockitude of Firefly, had it >>>>>> needed establishing. >>>>>> >>>>>> (What does it mean?) >>>>> >>>>> Er,bugger I meant to type Aiya, it means something like damn. >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course even in slow than light ships with a stasised crew you >>>>>>>>> have to >>>>>>>>> take enough food/water so that you can feed everybody whiile you >>>>>>>>> are terra forming the planets.Which would take years. Oh and you >>>>>>>>> would have >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Autonomous terraforming. People stay in stasis until it's done for >>>>>>>> at least a few planets. Robots don't get bored. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If only! The Robot Williams model may have self distructed rather >>>>>>> inflict such harm on the humans that went to see his version of the >>>>>>> Asimov story. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Asimov's robots were pansies. >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> to work out how big a population you would have to bring so that >>>>>>>>> inbreeding didn't reduce your pioneers to such a state that they >>>>>>>>> are distracted by shiny things, become enamoured by their swine, >>>>>>>>> play the banjo and develop funny accents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Super neato-keen genetic engineering = no more problems with >>>>>>>> limited gene pool. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And yet you still have trouble with FTL travel... >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes. sn-kge is an extrapolation of existing science. FTL requires a >>>>>> refutation of relativity or some funky yet massive paradigm shift. >>>>>> Not saying it can't happen, but it is not the path of least >>>>>> resistance, grasshopper. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Depends on how good peoples branes are. >>>> >>>> Branes are best with marinara sauce. mmmmmmbranesmmmmmmm >>>> >>> >>> Thrakazogg? Is that you? >>> >> >> Wha?!? > > (A reference from The Tick cartoon.) SPPPPPPPPPOOOOOooooOOOOOOOOOOONNN!!!! Ted -- Stare too long into the abyss and the abyss looks like a nifty place to hide the bodies .