Subj : Re: Serenity: My Thoughtful Review To : alt.tv.farscape From : Rick Savoia Date : Tue Oct 04 2005 10:29:25 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Jim Larson wrote in news:Xns96E4C0767C0B83v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: > weirdwolf wrote: > >> Jim Larson wrote in >> news:Xns96E4BD53C9BC53v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >> >>> weirdwolf wrote: >>> >>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>> news:Xns96E4BAE389D1E3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>> >>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>> news:Xns96E4B521EB7BE3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>> >>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4B19C342FD3v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote in >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4ACA194E163v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Savoia wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96E4AC9D1F629rsavoiaNOSPAMyahooco@127.0.0.1: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:K_SdnR1O1_e93tzeRVn-jg@comcast.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> RR wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've got Disc 1 at the top of my Netflix queue and I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to try and check out the flick this week despite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my ignorance. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The movie is probably just fine on its own. However, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> certain events lose some of their impact if you haven't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been along for the (regrettably short) ride. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really would think that it would *have* to stand alone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be worthy of having been made on such a scale. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show's incredibly short run probably made that a fairly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy thing to accomplish. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually there is a little time lapsed between the end of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the series, beginning of the movie, and the characters, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> while unchanged they have been dialed up a 'little' to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> recreate tensions that were alleviated in time during the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> series. The time lapse is sufficient for series watchers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to understand things are strained 'again' and for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-series viewers to have tension and conflict to pin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the story on. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sci Fi had been running the eps on Fridays, and had a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> marathon recently of eps... BUT, you should be able to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> walk into the theater without having seen the series, the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> first twenty minutes are laden with enough character >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dialogue and camera/characters-still-moving exposition >>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to let you know who everyone is. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Surprised I haven't seen this mentioned here, they have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolved the Galaxy / Solar System conundrum, the Pilot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> originally said one thing, the Series said another. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> movie has picked Solar System. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Solar System just doesn't seem big enough though. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Even if you have a solar system of a reasonable size, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> just seems too small to support the multiple planets and >>>>>>>>>>>>> moons they've been to as well as the concept of something >>>>>>>>>>>>> like the Alliance. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's also very hard to lose a planet in a Solar System. >>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were just a Solar System, I'd have pictured the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Reavers overrunning the place by now. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Personally, I always thought they were in a cluster of >>>>>>>>>>>>> Solar systems with a few terraformed planets/moons in >>>>>>>>>>>>> each. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thats what I thought when I heard about the change, why >>>>>>>>>>>> stick to pulling >>>>>>>>>>>> bankjobs in California when you can go to Bolivia? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Because you need FTL drives to go to Bolivia. Anyway, >>>>>>>>>>> everyone knows what happens in Bolivia... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And they say Americans know nothing about world geography! >>>>>>>>>> So we are fine with space travel, terra forming and psychic >>>>>>>>>> assasins but not ok with FTL travel? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Prexactly! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Right, fine, ok, just so long as I know where to >>>>>>>>>> draw the line of sensibleness in the sand of made up stuff. >>>>>>>>>> We wouldn't want to cross that line now would we, even if it >>>>>>>>>> was by using the z axis. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Damn right. That way lies madness. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Soooo just how did all those people get to a solar system that >>>>>>>> is third star from the right and keep on till dawn, without FTL >>>>>>>> travel? A sprinkling of fairy dust? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well obviously it was magic. Sheesh. Someone people...gotta >>>>>>> explain every little thing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (A single one way trip taking maybe a couple of decades or a >>>>>>> couple of centuries with most of a seed population in cold >>>>>>> storage is a different thing than zipping back and forth between >>>>>>> solar systems every five minutes.) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Well to get to alpha centuri at light speed would take what 4.3 >>>>>> years so lets be generous and say you can travel at a fair old >>>>>> clip, 6 years say. >>>>>> OF course although AC is sun like so is it's companion and it >>>>>> has a red >>>>>> dwarf companion as well. Maybe not the ideal place to live. So we >>>>>> could look further afield. Barnards star, Wolf 359, Luyten 726-8 >>>>>> a and B,Ross 154 and Lalande 21185 are all red dwarfs. Sirius B >>>>>> is a white dwarf. Sirius A on the other hand is pretty damn hot >>>>>> at 10,000 degrees C and about twice as large as the sun.` >>>>>> We are 10+ light years out now and still looking.Unfortunately >>>>>> we have >>>>>> reached the limits of my knowledge anybody who's good at >>>>>> astronomy know where the nearest Earth like single star system >>>>>> is? >>>>> >>>>> Doesn't matter. We will posit that in the year 2123 the Chinindian >>>>> astronomer Mohandas Lu will have discovered the exact location of >>>>> the ideal replacement solar system. >>>> >>>> My first night at Mandarin lessons we were talking about syllables >>>> and >>>> practasing the Ai sound. The rather staid lady teaching us was >>>> saying that it was used in combination to make an impolite word. I >>>> of course without engaging my brain went "oh! you mean Aima!" >>>> Stoopid Firefly swearing getting me into trouble. >>>> >>> >>> This alone would have established the rockitude of Firefly, had it >>> needed establishing. >>> >>> (What does it mean?) >> >> Er,bugger I meant to type Aiya, it means something like damn. >> >>>>>> Of course even in slow than light ships with a stasised crew you >>>>>> have to >>>>>> take enough food/water so that you can feed everybody whiile you >>>>>> are terra forming the planets.Which would take years. Oh and you >>>>>> would have >>>>> >>>>> Autonomous terraforming. People stay in stasis until it's done for >>>>> at least a few planets. Robots don't get bored. >>>> >>>> If only! The Robot Williams model may have self distructed rather >>>> inflict such harm on the humans that went to see his version of the >>>> Asimov story. >>>> >>> >>> Asimov's robots were pansies. >>> >>>>>> to work out how big a population you would have to bring so that >>>>>> inbreeding didn't reduce your pioneers to such a state that they >>>>>> are distracted by shiny things, become enamoured by their swine, >>>>>> play the banjo and develop funny accents. >>>>> >>>>> Super neato-keen genetic engineering = no more problems with >>>>> limited gene pool. >>>>> >>>> >>>> And yet you still have trouble with FTL travel... >>> >>> Yes. sn-kge is an extrapolation of existing science. FTL requires a >>> refutation of relativity or some funky yet massive paradigm shift. >>> Not saying it can't happen, but it is not the path of least >>> resistance, grasshopper. >>> >> >> Depends on how good peoples branes are. > > Branes are best with marinara sauce. mmmmmmbranesmmmmmmm > Thrakazogg? Is that you? -- "I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." - Calvin .