Subj : Re: BSG To : alt.tv.farscape From : John I Date : Tue Sep 27 2005 16:08:28 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape John I wrote: > weirdwolf wrote: > >> John I wrote in >> news:Xns96DE6F6F95144oiwhnanri@66.26.32.8: >> >>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>> >>>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>>>>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>>>> TNW7Z7Z7Z12345 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But whatever Saddam did has no relation whatsoever to our >>>>>>>> treatment of prisoners of war. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I point it out because it keeps getting lost in the arguement. >>>>>>> That somehow everything in Iraq was peachy-keen (like Moore's >>>>>>> depiction of Iraqis flying kites in his film "Farenheit 911") >>>>>>> until we showed up. Again, ask the Kurds 'n Shia (who rarely >>>>>>> appear on tv since almost all the violence is happening in Sunni >>>>>>> territory) if the United States is just as bad or even in the same >>>>>>> ballpark as Saddam. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think anyone uses Abu Gharib as a reason the US shouldn't >>>>>> have gone over there. (Have they?) What happened there is a >>>>>> separate issue. >>>>> >>>>> Well, TNZ seems to think that our status among Iraqis dropped >>>>> waaaaay down because of what happened at Abu Ghraib. And my >>>>> response is that while what happened there was a black eye for the >>>>> US and everyone involved should be punished, the Kurds 'n Shia (who >>>>> represent 80% of the country and were 100% the target of Saddam's >>>>> abuses) will not be as critical of what happened as we have been to >>>>> ourselves. >>>>> >>>>> Can anyone think that the Kurds, who lost over 100,000 of their >>>>> fathers, brothers, sisters, sons 'n daughters to Saddam's men will >>>>> view Abu Graib in the same light? How about the Shia who lost even >>>>> MORE of their people? Again, do they view us on the same level as >>>>> Saddam? Since they represent the vast majority of the Iraqi >>>>> population, isn't their view of what happened really important to >>>>> our future with their country? >>>> >>>> Ah, I see what you're saying. I think people will be more critical >>>> of the US though, as we often are to outsiders. >>>> >>>> Long term, who knows. >>>> >>>> It still blows my mind that no one in charge stopped what was going >>>> on in that prison. Morality aside, I am shocked that no one foresaw >>>> the story getting out to the public -it's like a total disconnect >>>> from reality. >>> >>> There were individuals who recognized that it was wrong and reported >>> it. I think the key to understanding why no one in charge stopped it >>> is that it was policy and it was encouraged by the people in charge. >>> >>> Also don't foorget that Bush I encouraged the Shia to revolt at the >>> end of the first Gulf war and then left them to be slaughtered. That >>> didn't exactly instill trust. And the Kurds were killed with American >>> weapons supplied by the Reagan admin with Cheney's and Rummy acting as >>> liason to Saddam. Oh well. >>> >> >> Not to mention that the "no fly zone" was about as much use as a >> chocolate tea pot. >> Don't forget kids Iranian Kurds are so-so and can be ignored, Turkish >> Kurds are bad, Iraqi Kurds are good. Unless of course there is an >> incursion by the Turkish army into Iraq in which case they become the >> bad Kurds and it's ok to let the army stand by and do nothing. >> Ted >> > > Remeber all the guff the Turks got from our idiot right-wing in the run > up to Iraq? They got the French treatment because they were reluctant > to side with the US in its falsified rational for invasion. We are > still trying to figure out how to integrate "Giant Freedom Bird" into > the Thanksgiving tradition. > It goes really well with Victory Gin. (what's this sore on my leg?) .