Subj : Re: BSG
To   : alt.tv.farscape
From : Tyler Trafford
Date : Tue Sep 27 2005 15:50:36

From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape

Ken McElhaney wrote:
> Tyler Trafford wrote:
>> Ken McElhaney wrote:
>>> TNW7Z7Z7Z12345 wrote:
>>>
>>>> But whatever Saddam did has no relation whatsoever to our treatment
>>>> of prisoners of war.
>>>
>>> I point it out because it keeps getting lost in the arguement. That
>>> somehow everything in Iraq was peachy-keen (like Moore's depiction
>>> of Iraqis flying kites in his film "Farenheit 911") until we showed
>>> up.  Again, ask the Kurds 'n Shia (who rarely appear on tv since
>>> almost all the violence is happening in Sunni territory) if the
>>> United States is just as bad or even in the same ballpark as Saddam.
>>
>> I don't think anyone uses Abu Gharib as a reason the US shouldn't
>> have gone over there.  (Have they?)  What happened there is a
>> separate issue.
>
> Well, TNZ seems to think that our status among Iraqis dropped waaaaay
> down because of what happened at Abu Ghraib.  And my response is that
> while what happened there was a black eye for the US and everyone
> involved should be punished, the Kurds 'n Shia (who represent 80% of
> the country and were 100% the target of Saddam's abuses) will not be
> as critical of what happened as we have been to ourselves.
>
> Can anyone think that the Kurds, who lost over 100,000 of their
> fathers, brothers, sisters, sons 'n daughters to Saddam's men will
> view Abu Graib in the same light?  How about the Shia who lost even
> MORE of their people? Again, do they view us on the same level as
> Saddam? Since they represent the vast majority of the Iraqi
> population, isn't their view of what happened really important to our
> future with their country?  

Ah, I see what you're saying.  I think people will be more critical of
the US though, as we often are to outsiders.

Long term, who knows.

It still blows my mind that no one in charge stopped what was going on
in that prison.  Morality aside, I am shocked that no one foresaw  the
story getting out to the public -it's like a total disconnect from
reality.
-- 
Tyler Trafford

If we won't stand together, we don't stand a chance.

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