Subj : Re: BSG To : alt.tv.farscape From : Tyler Trafford Date : Mon Sep 26 2005 20:12:03 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Ken McElhaney wrote: > > Tyler Trafford wrote: >> Ken McElhaney wrote: >> > Tyler Trafford wrote: >> >> Ken McElhaney wrote: >> >> > Jim Larson wrote: >> >> >> Tyler Trafford wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ken McElhaney wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> John Iwaniszek wrote: >> >> >> >>> Chaya wrote in >> >> >> >>> news:Xns96DBD5A927011chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> > RR wrote: >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> >> Jim Larson wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >>>>>>> That's some televisin' right there, that is.... >> >> >> >>> >>>>>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>>> Yep....That's how it's done. >> >> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>>> That episode rocked. >> >> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>>> Caine was hard not to dislike. I'm trying to place the >> >> >> >>> >>>>>> actress. >> >> >> >>> >>>>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>>> What else has she been in? >> >> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>>> (STTNG. She played ensign Ro.) >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>>> Michelle Forbes is on BSG? Neato. I've always thought she was >> >> >> >>> >>>> ~smokin'~. >> >> >> >>> >>>> >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> She is, shall we say, less than likeable in BSG. (Although she >> >> >> >>> >>> does a very good less than likeable, in my opinion.) >> >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>> >>> By the way, since you were considering watching the show, I would >> >> >> >>> >>> suggest not starting with the current episode featuring Michelle >> >> >> >>> >>> Forbes. It's very good, but probably loses impact if you haven't >> >> >> >>> >>> been along for the ride. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> >> I've decided to begin at the beginning with the mini/S1 box - and >> >> >> >>> >> probably won't see the current eps 'til they hit DVD. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > Yeah, it's usually a bad idea to begin watching a series with the >> >> >> >>> > season finale. >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > ;) >> >> >> >>> > >> >> >> >>> > (I think you'll like it) >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> It's a cheap, cut-rate season finale. You one need ten episodes >> >> >> >>> before it's shown. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> (By the way, I like science fiction that gets all allegorical and >> >> >> >>> shit. BSG seems to do the job very nicely. >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> The Pegasus and Galactica diverged politically after the Cylon attack. >> >> >> >>> Pegasus became a military dictatorship with fascist underpinnings >> >> >> >>> while the >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Since there is no civilian component to the Pegusus, it's hard to >> >> >> >> describe it as a "military dictatorship" since only military personel >> >> >> >> are involved. Better to say standard military with a nutjob in command. >> >> >> >> As for the "fascist" comment, yea, that's kinda accurate. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Well, there *was* a civilian component- Cain just drafted everyone she >> >> >> > came across. >> >> >> >> >> >> Aerospace Engineer Guy turned Deck Chief for instance. >> >> > >> >> > Wow, ONE guy gets drafted (how exactly was he drafted if the Pegusus >> >> > left immediately?). Was he already on board and if so, wasn't he >> >> > working FOR Cain anyway? >> >> >> >> He said he was on a civilian ship before the Pegasus found them. The >> >> implication was rather strong that the Admiral had been forcing everyone >> >> they came across into service. That was the point of that scene. >> > >> > Which certainly does NOT mean "military dictatorship". In times of >> > emergency, civilians can get pulled into the ranks to fill skill >> > positions. So John's use of the term "military dictatorship" is simply >> > wrong. >> >> Maybe. > > "Military Dictatorship" implies military rule over a civilian populace. > This does not appear to be the case with the Pegusus as there are > apparently NO civilian ships or a large civilian contengent in her > "fleet". Therefore, "military dictatorship" is the wrong term. > >> My first thought on hearing the engineer guy's story was that >> Cain was probably planning on drafting everyone in Adama's group too, >> including the president. No reason for dead weight. > > If that's the case, then the entire "democracy" subplot of BSG is > worthless. Either the civilian government has authority or they do > not. All governments lose authority when someone besides them is suddenly holding the biggest gun. Cain, obviously, believes that she is in ultimate command of all remaining people- and so does the crew of her modern and lethal Battlestar. She doesn't acknowledge any command above her's, so the council of twelve has no authority on her ship(s). > Sad to say the original series handled this bit a lot better with > a "council of twelve" delegating emergency powers to Adama. Such an > order can be taken back by the council if they so chose. If another > battlestar shows up, the commander falls outside the current military > structure and therefore, has no authority over the current military > commander. Even if in the old days, she outranked him. Supreme authority is derived from a mandate from the masses, not from some tarty council. She outranks Adama because he believes she outranks him, and all the people under Adama do what he says. (I think I may have once seen an old episode when I was six.) -- Tyler Trafford Elevators smell different to midgets. .