Subj : Re: BSG To : alt.tv.farscape From : John I Date : Mon Sep 26 2005 19:01:26 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape weirdwolf wrote: > John I wrote in > news:Xns96DD8CC658C5Boiwhnanri@66.26.32.8: > >> Tyler Trafford wrote: >> >>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>> >>>> John I wrote: >>>>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>> >>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> > Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>>> >>> >>> Chaya wrote in >>>>> >>> >>> news:Xns96DBD5A927011chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> > RR wrote: >>>>> >>> >>> > >>>>> >>> >>> >> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> That's some televisin' right there, that is.... >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Yep....That's how it's done. >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> That episode rocked. >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Caine was hard not to dislike. I'm trying to place >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> the actress. >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> What else has she been in? >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> (STTNG. She played ensign Ro.) >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> Michelle Forbes is on BSG? Neato. I've always thought >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> she was ~smokin'~. >>>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> She is, shall we say, less than likeable in BSG. >>>>> >>> >>> >>> (Although she does a very good less than likeable, in >>>>> >>> >>> >>> my opinion.) >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> By the way, since you were considering watching the >>>>> >>> >>> >>> show, I would suggest not starting with the current >>>>> >>> >>> >>> episode featuring Michelle Forbes. It's very good, but >>>>> >>> >>> >>> probably loses impact if you haven't been along for the >>>>> >>> >>> >>> ride. >>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >>> >> I've decided to begin at the beginning with the mini/S1 >>>>> >>> >>> >> box - and probably won't see the current eps 'til they >>>>> >>> >>> >> hit DVD. >>>>> >>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >>> > >>>>> >>> >>> > Yeah, it's usually a bad idea to begin watching a series >>>>> >>> >>> > with the season finale. >>>>> >>> >>> > >>>>> >>> >>> > ;) >>>>> >>> >>> > >>>>> >>> >>> > (I think you'll like it) >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> It's a cheap, cut-rate season finale. You one need ten >>>>> >>> >>> episodes before it's shown. >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> (By the way, I like science fiction that gets all >>>>> >>> >>> allegorical and shit. BSG seems to do the job very nicely. >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> The Pegasus and Galactica diverged politically after the >>>>> >>> >>> Cylon attack. Pegasus became a military dictatorship with >>>>> >>> >>> fascist underpinnings while the >>>>> >>> >> >>>>> >>> >> Since there is no civilian component to the Pegusus, it's >>>>> >>> >> hard to describe it as a "military dictatorship" since only >>>>> >>> >> military personel are involved. Better to say standard >>>>> >>> >> military with a nutjob in command. As for the "fascist" >>>>> >>> >> comment, yea, that's kinda accurate. >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > Well, there *was* a civilian component- Cain just drafted >>>>> >>> > everyone she came across. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Aerospace Engineer Guy turned Deck Chief for instance. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Wow, ONE guy gets drafted (how exactly was he drafted if the >>>>> >> Pegusus left immediately?). Was he already on board and if so, >>>>> >> wasn't he working FOR Cain anyway? >>>>> > >>>>> > He said he was on a civilian ship before the Pegasus found them. >>>>> > The implication was rather strong that the Admiral had been >>>>> > forcing everyone they came across into service. That was the >>>>> > point of that scene. >>>>> >>>>> The contrast between the two colonial groups was quite clear: The >>>>> Pegasus group became an austere military society ruled by an >>>>> autocrat with a singleminded purpose, >>>> >>>> What group? The Pegusus seems to be the only ship in it's group, >>>> unless I missed something during the shaky CGI scenes showing the >>>> Pegusus surrounded by civilan ships. But even so, there would be no >>>> civilian command structure in the Pegusus's group since there were >>>> no surviving members of the Colonial governing body...at least none >>>> that has been established. >>>> >>>>>while the Galactica group clearly is trying to preserve >>>>> the civilian leadership and the civil society that should be the >>>>> point of most Liberal democracies. >>>> >>>> Well, "Liberal" democracies would put the civilian President in >>>> charge of the military. That does not appear to be the case here as >>>> Adama could simply inform the President of Cain's actions and she >>>> could fire her as Admiral. And there are plenty of precidents in US >>>> history to back that up. >>> >>> It doesn't matter who says they are President if the military follows >>> someone else and doesn't recognize her/his authority. >> >> Also, someone wasn't paying attention when I described the Galactica >> group as a form of liberal democracy where the military and the >> civilian government are in partnership, not one under the other in a >> strict chain of command. >> >> Their model is more like Turkey and less like Pakistan. A benign >> Military that doesn't govern but is willing to intervene if the >> greater good is threatened. > > John you might want to read more about Turkey before you make comments > like that. > Ted There's no doubt that the military in Turkey is keeping a very close watch on the civilian government and will exert force if the civilians try anything, like adopt a theocracy, for example. So I don't understand your comment. .