Subj : Re: BSG To : alt.tv.farscape From : weirdwolf Date : Mon Sep 26 2005 18:57:17 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape John I wrote in news:Xns96DD8CC658C5Boiwhnanri@66.26.32.8: > Tyler Trafford wrote: > >> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>> >>> John I wrote: >>>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>>> >>>> > Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Jim Larson wrote: >>>> >>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> > Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>> >>> >>> Chaya wrote in >>>> >>> >>> news:Xns96DBD5A927011chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> > RR wrote: >>>> >>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>> >> Jim Larson wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> That's some televisin' right there, that is.... >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Yep....That's how it's done. >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> That episode rocked. >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Caine was hard not to dislike. I'm trying to place >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> the actress. >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> What else has she been in? >>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>> (STTNG. She played ensign Ro.) >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> Michelle Forbes is on BSG? Neato. I've always thought >>>> >>> >>> >>>> she was ~smokin'~. >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> She is, shall we say, less than likeable in BSG. >>>> >>> >>> >>> (Although she does a very good less than likeable, in >>>> >>> >>> >>> my opinion.) >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> By the way, since you were considering watching the >>>> >>> >>> >>> show, I would suggest not starting with the current >>>> >>> >>> >>> episode featuring Michelle Forbes. It's very good, but >>>> >>> >>> >>> probably loses impact if you haven't been along for the >>>> >>> >>> >>> ride. >>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >>> >> I've decided to begin at the beginning with the mini/S1 >>>> >>> >>> >> box - and probably won't see the current eps 'til they >>>> >>> >>> >> hit DVD. >>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>> > Yeah, it's usually a bad idea to begin watching a series >>>> >>> >>> > with the season finale. >>>> >>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>> > ;) >>>> >>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>> > (I think you'll like it) >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> It's a cheap, cut-rate season finale. You one need ten >>>> >>> >>> episodes before it's shown. >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> (By the way, I like science fiction that gets all >>>> >>> >>> allegorical and shit. BSG seems to do the job very nicely. >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> The Pegasus and Galactica diverged politically after the >>>> >>> >>> Cylon attack. Pegasus became a military dictatorship with >>>> >>> >>> fascist underpinnings while the >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> Since there is no civilian component to the Pegusus, it's >>>> >>> >> hard to describe it as a "military dictatorship" since only >>>> >>> >> military personel are involved. Better to say standard >>>> >>> >> military with a nutjob in command. As for the "fascist" >>>> >>> >> comment, yea, that's kinda accurate. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > Well, there *was* a civilian component- Cain just drafted >>>> >>> > everyone she came across. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Aerospace Engineer Guy turned Deck Chief for instance. >>>> >> >>>> >> Wow, ONE guy gets drafted (how exactly was he drafted if the >>>> >> Pegusus left immediately?). Was he already on board and if so, >>>> >> wasn't he working FOR Cain anyway? >>>> > >>>> > He said he was on a civilian ship before the Pegasus found them. >>>> > The implication was rather strong that the Admiral had been >>>> > forcing everyone they came across into service. That was the >>>> > point of that scene. >>>> >>>> The contrast between the two colonial groups was quite clear: The >>>> Pegasus group became an austere military society ruled by an >>>> autocrat with a singleminded purpose, >>> >>> What group? The Pegusus seems to be the only ship in it's group, >>> unless I missed something during the shaky CGI scenes showing the >>> Pegusus surrounded by civilan ships. But even so, there would be no >>> civilian command structure in the Pegusus's group since there were >>> no surviving members of the Colonial governing body...at least none >>> that has been established. >>> >>>>while the Galactica group clearly is trying to preserve >>>> the civilian leadership and the civil society that should be the >>>> point of most Liberal democracies. >>> >>> Well, "Liberal" democracies would put the civilian President in >>> charge of the military. That does not appear to be the case here as >>> Adama could simply inform the President of Cain's actions and she >>> could fire her as Admiral. And there are plenty of precidents in US >>> history to back that up. >> >> It doesn't matter who says they are President if the military follows >> someone else and doesn't recognize her/his authority. > > Also, someone wasn't paying attention when I described the Galactica > group as a form of liberal democracy where the military and the > civilian government are in partnership, not one under the other in a > strict chain of command. > > Their model is more like Turkey and less like Pakistan. A benign > Military that doesn't govern but is willing to intervene if the > greater good is threatened. John you might want to read more about Turkey before you make comments like that. Ted -- Stare too long into the abyss and the abyss looks like a nifty place to hide the bodies .