Subj : Re: BSG To : alt.tv.farscape From : Tyler Trafford Date : Mon Sep 26 2005 18:54:16 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape John I wrote: > Tyler Trafford wrote: > >> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>> >>> John I wrote: >>>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>>> >>>> > Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Jim Larson wrote: >>>> >>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> > Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>> >>> >>> Chaya wrote in >>>> >>> >>> news:Xns96DBD5A927011chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> > RR wrote: >>>> >>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>> >> Jim Larson wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> That's some televisin' right there, that is.... >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Yep....That's how it's done. >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> That episode rocked. >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> Caine was hard not to dislike. I'm trying to place the >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> actress. >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>>> What else has she been in? >>>> >>> >>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>>> (STTNG. She played ensign Ro.) >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> Michelle Forbes is on BSG? Neato. I've always thought she >>>> >>> >>> >>>> was ~smokin'~. >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> She is, shall we say, less than likeable in BSG. (Although >>>> >>> >>> >>> she does a very good less than likeable, in my opinion.) >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> By the way, since you were considering watching the show, >>>> >>> >>> >>> I would suggest not starting with the current episode >>>> >>> >>> >>> featuring Michelle Forbes. It's very good, but probably >>>> >>> >>> >>> loses impact if you haven't been along for the ride. >>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >>> >> I've decided to begin at the beginning with the mini/S1 box >>>> >>> >>> >> - and probably won't see the current eps 'til they hit DVD. >>>> >>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>> > Yeah, it's usually a bad idea to begin watching a series >>>> >>> >>> > with the season finale. >>>> >>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>> > ;) >>>> >>> >>> > >>>> >>> >>> > (I think you'll like it) >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> It's a cheap, cut-rate season finale. You one need ten >>>> >>> >>> episodes before it's shown. >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> (By the way, I like science fiction that gets all allegorical >>>> >>> >>> and shit. BSG seems to do the job very nicely. >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> >>> The Pegasus and Galactica diverged politically after the Cylon >>>> >>> >>> attack. Pegasus became a military dictatorship with fascist >>>> >>> >>> underpinnings while the >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> >> Since there is no civilian component to the Pegusus, it's hard >>>> >>> >> to describe it as a "military dictatorship" since only military >>>> >>> >> personel are involved. Better to say standard military with a >>>> >>> >> nutjob in command. As for the "fascist" comment, yea, that's >>>> >>> >> kinda accurate. >>>> >>> > >>>> >>> > Well, there *was* a civilian component- Cain just drafted >>>> >>> > everyone she came across. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Aerospace Engineer Guy turned Deck Chief for instance. >>>> >> >>>> >> Wow, ONE guy gets drafted (how exactly was he drafted if the >>>> >> Pegusus left immediately?). Was he already on board and if so, >>>> >> wasn't he working FOR Cain anyway? >>>> > >>>> > He said he was on a civilian ship before the Pegasus found them. >>>> > The implication was rather strong that the Admiral had been forcing >>>> > everyone they came across into service. That was the point of that >>>> > scene. >>>> >>>> The contrast between the two colonial groups was quite clear: The >>>> Pegasus group became an austere military society ruled by an autocrat >>>> with a singleminded purpose, >>> >>> What group? The Pegusus seems to be the only ship in it's group, unless >>> I missed something during the shaky CGI scenes showing the Pegusus >>> surrounded by civilan ships. But even so, there would be no civilian >>> command structure in the Pegusus's group since there were no surviving >>> members of the Colonial governing body...at least none that has been >>> established. >>> >>>>while the Galactica group clearly is trying to preserve >>>> the civilian leadership and the civil society that should be the point >>>> of most Liberal democracies. >>> >>> Well, "Liberal" democracies would put the civilian President in charge >>> of the military. That does not appear to be the case here as Adama >>> could simply inform the President of Cain's actions and she could fire >>> her as Admiral. And there are plenty of precidents in US history to >>> back that up. >> >> It doesn't matter who says they are President if the military follows >> someone else and doesn't recognize her/his authority. > > Also, someone wasn't paying attention when I described the Galactica group as > a form of liberal democracy where the military and the civilian government > are in partnership, not one under the other in a strict chain of command. > > Their model is more like Turkey and less like Pakistan. A benign Military > that doesn't govern but is willing to intervene if the greater good is > threatened. > > We like the Galactica group and identify with them. That is why we are > willing to cut them slack. The Pegasas group is a military dictatorship bent > on conquest and control. That is why they seized on the incident where Adama > abrogated the tribunal results (in a situation I am not familiar with). > > It is perfectly clear that the society evolving on Galactica group is aimed > towards a Liberal democracy. Likewise it is perfectly clear that the Pegasas > group is headed in the opposite direction. Sparta vs Athens, perhaps? -- Tyler Trafford Just weigh your own hurt against the hurt of all the others, and then do what's best. -- Lovers and Other Strangers .