Subj : Re: Larry King
To   : alt.tv.farscape
From : John Iwaniszek
Date : Thu Sep 01 2005 03:50:51

From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape

weirdwolf <Hooowl@hoowl.com> wrote in
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> John Iwaniszek <Not@hotmail.com> wrote in 
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>> weirdwolf <Hooowl@hoowl.com> wrote in
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>>> John Iwaniszek <Not@hotmail.com> wrote in 
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>>>>> John Iwaniszek <Not@hotmail.com> wrote in 
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>>>>>>>>>> Tyler Trafford <ttrafford+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in 
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>>>>>>>>>> @individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyler Trafford <ttrafford+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:3nmr2uF2bb0mU1@individual.net: 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyler Trafford <ttrafford+usenet@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:3nmkgoF2a1tqU1 @individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Steve Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which should lead to the development of brown field
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> innercity sites and the development of better mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why should there be any move towards better mass
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation when petrol is a mere $4/gallon?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm an advocate of increasing fuel prices to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer, might stop people driving the 15 minute walk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the shop. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wouldn't that just increase cost-of-living and just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause 
>>>>>>>>>> inflation?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shipping this week has a 50% increase in fuel surcharge. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last week it was 20 cents a mile.  This week it's 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cents. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah, interstate commerce, I completely forgot about that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consequence. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  one that will encourage locally grown produce, a movement
>>>>>>>>>>>>  which is 
>>>>>>>>>>>> rising in this country.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> That would still screw over states like Montana and South
>>>>>>>>>>> Dakota (etc) which grow mass quantities of corn and wheat.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> They are already fucked because of aforementioned fuel prices
>>>>>>>>>> and katrina-caused NOLA bottleneck.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  but Katrina hasn't caused the bottle neck it is only served
>>>>>>>>>  as a focus 
>>>>>>>>> point to bring the problem into the light.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> What this might due is shift transport and port resources to
>>>>>>>>>> the mid- atlantic and stimulate a rebuilding of the rail
>>>>>>>>>> system.  
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>  Yeah and the pigs will fly themselves to market. Can you
>>>>>>>>>  really see that 
>>>>>>>>> happening in the current political climate?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bush is a lame duck.  His approvals are a 38% and dropping
>>>>>>>> (we're talking Nixon-level).  His
>>>>>>>> incapability for feeling or showing empathy and his failure to
>>>>>>>> lead in this situation will sink him further. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I understand he had a "birds eye view" of the disaster regions
>>>>>>>> this afternoon.  Some one needs to tell him and his media
>>>>>>>> fellators that no bird flies at 30,000 feet.  Clinton, Gore,
>>>>>>>> and Kerry would have had their muddy boots on the ground.  Not
>>>>>>>> The First Dry Drunk. 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  I've never been impressed wih the whole visiting the disaster
>>>>>>>  area and 
>>>>>>> meeting the hospitalised stuff. Always struck me as fake and 
>>>>>>> condescending.
>>>>>>>  Short of impeachment or resignation is there anyway that his
>>>>>>>  own party 
>>>>>>> can force him out of office a la Thatcher and the tories? A vote
>>>>>>> of no confidence in the senate?
>>>>>>>  I'm afraid my knowledge of American political history is rather
>>>>>>>  limited 
>>>>>>> and I can't recall a situation where this has occured.
>>>>>>>  Ted
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Republicans are marching in perfect lockstep with Bush.  There is
>>>>>> no 
>>>>> way 
>>>>>> he will be driven out, even if there is a live boy or a dead girl
>>>>>> involved.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK say for example he had invaded a country for no reason..
>>>>> damn..er..say for example it was found that he was a
>>>>> deserter....shit..ok.. third times the charm... say for example he
>>>>> lied to the senate...bugger this is more difficult than it
>>>>> seems... OOO I've got a good one.. say for example he had
>>>>> completely crippled the national eco..n..o.my... 
>>>>>  Right, fine, we will forget the reason why just imagine they
>>>>>  wanted to 
>>>>> force him out of office. Is there a way that they could do it and
>>>>> has it been done before? My rather dodgy memory and obvious lack
>>>>> of knowledge can't seem to come up with an example of it
>>>>> happening. 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The only legal thing that can happen is impeachment or letting him
>>>> run out his term.  One of those is a certainty, the other is an 
>>>> impossibility because of the Republican inability to admit mistakes
>>>> or accept responsibility.
>>>> 
>>>> Here is an benchmark to use when measuring the integrity of Boy
>>>> King: 
>>>>  Nixon resigned.
>>> 
>>>  I thought that might be the case.
>>> It's a bloody stupid system by the way.
>>> 
>> 
>> It works pretty well most of the time.  If the actors aren't
>> criminals. 
> 
> You see as a pessimist I would much rather have several methods of 
> getting rid of somebody inept or criminal than have to suffer them
> until the next election. Getting them set up in place before the
> system is required in the certain knowledge that one day you will pick
> a dud again. I do however rather like your two terms custom, it is one
> that would have served us well over here in the last few years. I
> always wondered however why they stuck with a set time period for
> terms and elections always struck me as rather inflexible.
>  Ted
> 

The congress and the Senate balance themselves against the President.  
Under ordinary circumstances, of course.

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