Subj : Re: the true meaning of sacrifice To : alt.tv.farscape From : Nick Date : Thu Sep 15 2005 03:53:15 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Chaya wrote: > Nick wrote: > >> weirdwolf wrote: >> >>> Chaya wrote in >>> news:Xns96D1E5F579B5chayaruth@ 204.153.244.170: >>> >>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote in >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96D1C865D7D90ndtcm@ 68.1.17.6: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Savoia wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:cr2dnYSBJ6XG87reRVn-uQ@comcast.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7ree8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't like the precedent that is setting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote from the article; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "So, this is just a different way of getting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money out of people." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In thirteen words they've defined just what's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong with America, notice they don't mention >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything about helping people, or a good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're basically turning the relief effort into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an anoyance, that is the first ugly part here, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> its a tax on your tolerance, not an appeal to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your better neature. Secondly If I weasn't going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to give to a cause, or I already gave what I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> allotted to a cause, annoying me to give more $ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pushes beyond polite solicitation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People are going associate negativity from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoyance with the cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However the children are going to see how much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money they made, not raised, and call it a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sucess. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other children will take away from it a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> negative view of charities. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I once had a boss[1] who always collected for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> United Way and he always expected you to donate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some magical number of $ that only he knew. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped giving altogether because I didn't like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pressure from my boss. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure others have similar experience with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manadatory work donations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The worst part of mandatory work doantions is it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumes you haven't already donated your budget >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to your cause of choice, or that you are ok with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the mission and practice of the charity chosen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the company. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the things that I learned in running my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marathons and raising money is that your cause >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may not be their cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of my very good friends donated to my first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of runs and then not to my next ones. His >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> son had become a diabetic and almost died. They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefered to send to diabetes research. He >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apologized for not donating and started to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain why. I immediately stopped him and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said "no problem. You have a different priority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that's fine". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't make people donate to a cause. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> makes them resentful of that cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (So...The Larson for Supreme Dictator Fund is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doomed from the outset?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give you a quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Woohoo! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As the first donor, I'd like to have a special title. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've always wanted to have an HRH before my name. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to be one of the first ones against the wall >>>>>>>>>>>>> when the revolution comes. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Better start handing over the cash to the Supreme >>>>>>>>>>>> Dictator. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I was thinking I could get that role by NOT handing over >>>>>>>>>>> the cash. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (women don't know anything about revolutions) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (they really should stick to baking and sewing) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> OOOOOOH... NOW I get it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (You still want that HRH, it's another quarter.) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm in. It's all about sacrifice, after all. >>>>> >>>>> (That's another quarter per letter.) >>>>> >>>> >>>> You truly understand what it means to be a despot. I salute >>>> you, fearless leader! >>>> >>> >>> hey hey, before you salute the upstart usurper, just remember >>> who is the real monarch here missy, well at least for another 15 >>> days till the new monthly stats come out. >> >> Man, you shoulda seen the old days. >> We used to have around 20k posts per month. >> > > Yeah, but there was a lot more riff-raff. Now it's just the > classy people. > Well, there is that. .