Subj : Re: the true meaning of sacrifice To : alt.tv.farscape From : Chaya Date : Thu Sep 15 2005 03:51:01 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Nick wrote: > weirdwolf wrote: > >> Chaya wrote in >> news:Xns96D1E5F579B5chayaruth@ 204.153.244.170: >> >>> Jim Larson wrote: >>> >>>> Chaya wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nick wrote in >>>>>>>>> news:Xns96D1C865D7D90ndtcm@ 68.1.17.6: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Savoia wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:cr2dnYSBJ6XG87reRVn-uQ@comcast.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7ree8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't like the precedent that is setting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote from the article; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "So, this is just a different way of getting money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of people." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In thirteen words they've defined just what's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong with America, notice they don't mention >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anything about helping people, or a good cause... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're basically turning the relief effort into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an anoyance, that is the first ugly part here, its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a tax on your tolerance, not an appeal to your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better neature. Secondly If I weasn't going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give to a cause, or I already gave what I allotted >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a cause, annoying me to give more $ pushes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> beyond polite solicitation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People are going associate negativity from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoyance with the cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However the children are going to see how much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money they made, not raised, and call it a sucess. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other children will take away from it a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> negative view of charities. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I once had a boss[1] who always collected for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> United Way and he always expected you to donate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some magical number of $ that only he knew. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped giving altogether because I didn't like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pressure from my boss. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure others have similar experience with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manadatory work donations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The worst part of mandatory work doantions is it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumes you haven't already donated your budget to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your cause of choice, or that you are ok with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission and practice of the charity chosen by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the things that I learned in running my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marathons and raising money is that your cause may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be their cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of my very good friends donated to my first >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> couple of runs and then not to my next ones. His >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> son had become a diabetic and almost died. They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prefered to send to diabetes research. He >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apologized for not donating and started to explain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why. I immediately stopped him and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said "no problem. You have a different priority >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and that's fine". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't make people donate to a cause. It makes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them resentful of that cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (So...The Larson for Supreme Dictator Fund is doomed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the outset?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give you a quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Woohoo! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As the first donor, I'd like to have a special title. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've always wanted to have an HRH before my name. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I want to be one of the first ones against the wall when >>>>>>>>>>>> the revolution comes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Better start handing over the cash to the Supreme >>>>>>>>>>> Dictator. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I was thinking I could get that role by NOT handing over >>>>>>>>>> the cash. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (women don't know anything about revolutions) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (they really should stick to baking and sewing) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OOOOOOH... NOW I get it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (You still want that HRH, it's another quarter.) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm in. It's all about sacrifice, after all. >>>> >>>> (That's another quarter per letter.) >>>> >>> >>> You truly understand what it means to be a despot. I salute you, >>> fearless leader! >>> >> >> hey hey, before you salute the upstart usurper, just remember who >> is the real monarch here missy, well at least for another 15 days >> till the new monthly stats come out. > > Man, you shoulda seen the old days. > We used to have around 20k posts per month. > Yeah, but there was a lot more riff-raff. Now it's just the classy people. .