Subj : Re: the true meaning of sacrifice To : alt.tv.farscape From : Chaya Date : Thu Sep 15 2005 03:41:51 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape weirdwolf wrote: > Chaya wrote in > news:Xns96D1E5F579B5chayaruth@ 204.153.244.170: > >> Jim Larson wrote: >> >>> Chaya wrote: >>> >>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nick wrote in >>>>>>>> news:Xns96D1C865D7D90ndtcm@ 68.1.17.6: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Savoia wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:cr2dnYSBJ6XG87reRVn-uQ@comcast.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7ree8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't like the precedent that is setting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote from the article; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "So, this is just a different way of getting money out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of people." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In thirteen words they've defined just what's wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with America, notice they don't mention anything about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helping people, or a good cause... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're basically turning the relief effort into an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anoyance, that is the first ugly part here, its a tax >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your tolerance, not an appeal to your better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neature. Secondly If I weasn't going to give to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause, or I already gave what I allotted to a cause, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying me to give more $ pushes beyond polite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solicitation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People are going associate negativity from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoyance with the cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However the children are going to see how much money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they made, not raised, and call it a sucess. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other children will take away from it a negative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view of charities. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I once had a boss[1] who always collected for United >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Way and he always expected you to donate some magical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of $ that only he knew. I stopped giving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether because I didn't like the pressure from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boss. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure others have similar experience with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manadatory work donations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The worst part of mandatory work doantions is it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumes you haven't already donated your budget to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your cause of choice, or that you are ok with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mission and practice of the charity chosen by the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> company. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the things that I learned in running my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marathons and raising money is that your cause may not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be their cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of my very good friends donated to my first couple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of runs and then not to my next ones. His son had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a diabetic and almost died. They prefered to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send to diabetes research. He apologized for not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donating and started to explain why. I immediately >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped him and said "no problem. You have a different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priority and that's fine". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't make people donate to a cause. It makes them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resentful of that cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (So...The Larson for Supreme Dictator Fund is doomed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the outset?) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give you a quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Woohoo! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> As the first donor, I'd like to have a special title. I've >>>>>>>>>>>> always wanted to have an HRH before my name. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I want to be one of the first ones against the wall when the >>>>>>>>>>> revolution comes. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Better start handing over the cash to the Supreme Dictator. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was thinking I could get that role by NOT handing over the >>>>>>>>> cash. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (women don't know anything about revolutions) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (they really should stick to baking and sewing) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> OOOOOOH... NOW I get it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (You still want that HRH, it's another quarter.) >>>>> >>>> >>>> I'm in. It's all about sacrifice, after all. >>> >>> (That's another quarter per letter.) >>> >> >> You truly understand what it means to be a despot. I salute you, >> fearless leader! >> > > hey hey, before you salute the upstart usurper, just remember who is > the real monarch here missy, well at least for another 15 days till > the new monthly stats come out. > Ted > Well, you do have the proper accent... .