Subj : Re: the true meaning of sacrifice To : alt.tv.farscape From : weirdwolf Date : Thu Sep 15 2005 03:36:14 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Jim Larson wrote in news:Xns96D1C64F2B5633v234oiwofui3284af93@130.133.1.18: > weirdwolf wrote: > >> Chaya wrote in >> news:Xns96D1E14686CCCchayaruth@204.153.244.170: >> >>> Jim Larson wrote: >>> >>>> Chaya wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nick wrote in >>>>>>> news:Xns96D1C865D7D90ndtcm@ 68.1.17.6: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rick Savoia wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trouble wrote in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:cr2dnYSBJ6XG87reRVn-uQ@comcast.com: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tyler Trafford wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/7ree8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't like the precedent that is setting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Quote from the article; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "So, this is just a different way of getting money out >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of people." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In thirteen words they've defined just what's wrong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with America, notice they don't mention anything about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helping people, or a good cause... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're basically turning the relief effort into an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anoyance, that is the first ugly part here, its a tax >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your tolerance, not an appeal to your better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> neature. Secondly If I weasn't going to give to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause, or I already gave what I allotted to a cause, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoying me to give more $ pushes beyond polite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solicitation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People are going associate negativity from the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annoyance with the cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However the children are going to see how much money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they made, not raised, and call it a sucess. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The other children will take away from it a negative >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view of charities. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I once had a boss[1] who always collected for United >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Way and he always expected you to donate some magical >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> number of $ that only he knew. I stopped giving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> altogether because I didn't like the pressure from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boss. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure others have similar experience with manadatory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work donations. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The worst part of mandatory work doantions is it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assumes you haven't already donated your budget to your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause of choice, or that you are ok with the mission >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and practice of the charity chosen by the company. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the things that I learned in running my marathons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and raising money is that your cause may not be their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of my very good friends donated to my first couple >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of runs and then not to my next ones. His son had >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become a diabetic and almost died. They prefered to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send to diabetes research. He apologized for not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donating and started to explain why. I immediately >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stopped him and said "no problem. You have a different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> priority and that's fine". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't make people donate to a cause. It makes them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resentful of that cause. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (So...The Larson for Supreme Dictator Fund is doomed from >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the outset?) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give you a quarter. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Woohoo! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> As the first donor, I'd like to have a special title. I've >>>>>>>>>>> always wanted to have an HRH before my name. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I want to be one of the first ones against the wall when the >>>>>>>>>> revolution comes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Better start handing over the cash to the Supreme Dictator. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was thinking I could get that role by NOT handing over the >>>>>>>> cash. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (women don't know anything about revolutions) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (they really should stick to baking and sewing) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OOOOOOH... NOW I get it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> (You still want that HRH, it's another quarter.) >>>> >>> >>> I'm in. It's all about sacrifice, after all. >>> >> >> Well for 45 cents plus P and P you can have the whole of our Royal >> family. > > Don't try pawning off defective merchandise on us. Not at those > outrageous prices. > They are inbred, annoying,expensive and completely useless. That there dear boy is the perfect example of what a royal family is supposed to be. Ted -- Stare too long into the abyss and the abyss looks like a nifty place to hide the bodies .