Subj : Re: Larry King To : alt.tv.farscape From : weirdwolf Date : Wed Aug 31 2005 22:14:42 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Rick Savoia wrote in news:Xns96C3AD30EBF93rsavoiaNOSPAMyahooco@127.0.0.1: > weirdwolf wrote in > news:Xns96C3D535BC268r73u67jw56nas@80.5.182.99: > >> Rick Savoia wrote in >> news:Xns96C379D13C947rsavoiaNOSPAMyahooco@127.0.0.1: >> >>> weirdwolf wrote in >>> news:Xns96C399A2B378Dr73u67jw56nas@62.253.170.163: >>> >>>> John Iwaniszek wrote in >>>> news:Xns96C36334BEEB8joiwhnanri@66.26.32.8: >>>> >>>>> weirdwolf wrote in >>>>> news:Xns96C32B9A985F9r73u67jw56nas@62.253.170.163: >>>>> >>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote in >>>>>> news:Xns96C2E940491E7joiwhnanri@66.26.32.7: >>>>>> >>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote in >>>>>>>> news:Xns96C2DACBD390Ejoiwhnanri@ 66.26.32.8: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's time he was plastinated and put on a shelf. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Why? >>>>>>>> I mean give us a clue, I don't even get Brit tv let alone >>>>>>>> whatever passes >>>>>>>> for entertainment over there. >>>>>>>> Ted >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you ever seen the Martin Short parody of a talk-show host? >>>>>>> LK is indistinguishable from the parody. >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh dear, I've not seen the sketch,(never ben to impressed with >>>>>> short,) >>>>>> but I think I can have a guess at the contents. >>>>>> >>>>>>> It would be funny if he wasn't >>>>>>> asking shell shocked Katrina survivors what they plan to do with >>>>>>> the rest of their lives. It's only been 1 day. These people >>>>>>> fled with the clothes on their back. They can barely conprehend >>>>>>> how to find their next meal, much less what they are going to do >>>>>>> 6 months from now. >>>>>> >>>>>> I see somebody stated that it was America's tsunami. I know >>>>>> people have >>>>>> been killed and homes lost but blimey over react much? I know >>>>>> hundred odd dead but there was warning and the U.S. has a hell of >>>>>> a lot better response and rebuilding facilities. >>>>>> Ted >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The people I've heard quoted saying that are people who were >>>>> directly affected, so I hesitate to judge. >>>>> >>>> >>>> They are still alive. When they are going up and down the beaches >>>> for days afterwards picking up the corpses of their family and >>>> neighbours like a chap I talk to perhaps I might see their point. >>>> >>> >>> I think it's a scale thing. The Tsunami was, without a doubt, one >>> of the worst natural disasters on a global scale. Katrina is one of >>> the worst natural disasters on an American scale. >>> >>> Looking at it completely, there are hundreds dead, maybe thousands >>> but I agree, not on the scale of the tsumani. However, tragic >>> nonetheless. >>> >>> In addition, there's pretty much 80% of a city that is now >>> underwater. If they can't fix the levies then the entire city will >>> be underwater. That city also rests below sea level so getting the >>> water out will be difficult if not impossible. >>> >>> 30% of the US oil production comes from that area and there is no >>> way to access that for the time being. >> >> Only partial shut downs for a lot of the area and you can always dip >> into the national oil reserves. >> > > 30% is 30%. And the national oil reserves are not the panacea that > you make them out to be. A large part of the problem is processing > the oil which has also been affected by this. > > Release all the crude oil you want, if your refining capabilities have > been affected, it won't be turning into gas any time fast. Your refining facilities haven't been able to do all thats been required from them for soom time now. There has been talk about peak oil being reached. > >>> It will be years before there is complete recovery from this. So, >>> on a country scale, it's pretty big. New Orleans may be lost >>> completely. It's not often that you face the possibility of a whole >>> city going away. >> >> Won't happen, New Orleans has been flooded before and will be again, >> especially if you lot don't get serious about global warming. >> Bloody French should never be allowed to build anything. > > To the best of my knowledge, I can't recall a situation in which New > Orleans has been flooded to this extent. I know that it's had > flooding situations before but I believe that was in old New Orleans, > not the entire city including the new downtown. > > The longer it takes them to move that water out, the more water damage > there will be and you move from 'repair' to 'raze and rebuild'. > > How about the implications of that? Not only are you dealing with > rebuilding efforts but also with removal of debris, displaced families > and businesses. It's not cut and dry. You just don't bring out the > mops, wipe it up and continue on. > > Oh, and, by the way, as for the 'if you lot don't get serious about > global warming' was a simple joke based on comments in some newspapers > yesterday, fine. > > If it's not though, I'm tempted to use one of my less civilized > responses. To blame a natural disaster like a hurricane on global > warming caused by Americans is just dumb. Of course I wasn't blaming the hurricane on global warming, but it was a simple statement that this will happen again if the sea levels raise. Much of eastern England will suffer the same problems. The whole of the south part of my city was a swamp until a hundred and fifty odd years ago. > Is there a global warming problem? Sure. But it's 'global'. Everyone > one contributes. And the US is the largest contributor and the one that is most reticent to actually do something. > The implication that if we had adopted the Kyoto protocols that this > would have been prevented is got to be the stupidest thing I've heard > lately. > You inferred incorrectly that this was what I was meaning. >> > >>> through in a couple of weeks wrecking everything again. >>> >>> Were there stupid people who stayed? Sure. They've faced enough >>> storms to be jaded about the warnings. That's just plain stupid. >>> It doesn't put them in another category other than 'tragic' though. >>> >> >> Self inflicted wounds aren't tragic, tragic is the thousands of kids >> dying each day without access to proper nutrition and medical care. >> some guy trying to hold on to his stereo is just stupid. > > Agreed. That's stupid. However, how about the hundreds of people > who just couldn't leave? Those that were sick, had sick relatives > they couldn't move and those that were just too poor to be able to > leave. I've heard a number of stories about people who didn't have > cars or the money to put gas into the car to go anywhere. > > Are they self-inflicted? > Do you not have emergency measures to actually get people out if they require help? Ted -- Stare too long into the abyss and the abyss looks like a nifty place to hide the bodies .