Subj : Re: Ethics test To : alt.tv.farscape From : John Iwaniszek Date : Sun Sep 11 2005 06:39:54 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Nick wrote in news:Xns96CE104D3899ndtcm@ 68.1.17.6: > John Iwaniszek wrote: > >> Trouble wrote in >> news:_uednUtDU_21Br7eRVn-tQ@comcast.com: >> >>> Jim Larson wrote: >>> >>>> Nick wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote in >>>>>>>>> news:Xns96CD8EBB268E2joiwhnanri@66.26.32.7: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> weirdwolf wrote in >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96CDBA1CAE389r73u67jw56nas@62.253.170.163: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ethics Test >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This test only has the one question, but it's a very >>>>>>>>>>> important one. By giving an honest answer, you will >>>>>>>>>>> discover where you stand morally. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The test features an unlikely, completely fictional >>>>>>>>>>> situation in which you will have to make a decision. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet >>>>>>>>>>> spontaneous. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please scroll down slowly and give due consideration to >>>>>>>>>>> each line. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are in Florida, Miami to be specific. There is chaos >>>>>>>>>>> all around you caused by a hurricane with severe >>>>>>>>>>> flooding. This is a flood of biblical proportions. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You are a photojournalist working for a major newspaper, >>>>>>>>>>> and you're caught in the middle of this epic disaster. >>>>>>>>>>> The situation is nearly hopeless. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You're trying to shoot career-making photos. There are >>>>>>>>>>> houses and people swirling around you...some disappearing >>>>>>>>>>> under the water. Nature is unleashing all of its >>>>>>>>>>> destructive fury. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Suddenly you see a man floundering in the water. He is >>>>>>>>>>> fighting for his life, trying not to be taken down with >>>>>>>>>>> the debris. You move closer... somehow the man looks >>>>>>>>>>> familiar. You suddenly realize who it is. It's George W. >>>>>>>>>>> Bush! At the same time you notice that the raging waters >>>>>>>>>>> are about to take him under... forever. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You have the two options: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can save the life of G.W.Bush, or you can shoot a >>>>>>>>>>> dramatic Pulitzer Prize winning photo, documenting the >>>>>>>>>>> death of one of the world's most powerful men. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So here's the question, and please give an honest >>>>>>>>>>> answer: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Would you select high contrast color film, or would you >>>>>>>>>>> go with the classic simplicity of black and white? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'd fish the moron out. Even a shit-heel deserves humane >>>>>>>>>> treatment. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yeah but John you are a liberal, probably after it happens >>>>>>>>> people who weren't there and you've never heard of will go >>>>>>>>> on tv saying how you didn't rescue anybody and that in fact >>>>>>>>> you turned and ran like the big commie pinko that you >>>>>>>>> really are. Ted >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And they will call themselves Rescue Boat Veterans for >>>>>>>> Truth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (You know, that whole espisode still boggles the mind. You >>>>>>>> have two individuals, both patricians for lack of a better >>>>>>>> term. The first volunteers to serve during a time of war, >>>>>>>> never mind his conduct during or after. The other hides >>>>>>>> behind Daddy's trousers. Yet it's the first one that is >>>>>>>> somehow vilified and called a coward 35 years later.) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Not to mention that joining the national guard is considered >>>>>>> hiding behind daddy's trousers.) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ((No. Joining the national guard then consistently failing to >>>>>> show up with impunity is considered hiding behind daddy's >>>>>> trousers. And are you seriously saying that serving in Texas >>>>>> in any capacity was equivalent to serving in S.E. Asia?)) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> (I don't remember typing that. I am saying that serving in >>>>> Texas is better than leaving the country.) >>>>> >>>> >>>> (Kerry left the country...but didn't serve in S.E. Asia??? Now >>>> I'm confused.) >>>> >>> >>> In order of relative servitude, least to greatest >>> >>> Clinton signed up for ROTC, but then left the country, went to >>> Russia, joined the British Communist party and organized other US >>> draft dodgers for anti-war demonstrations. >>> >> >> he never joined the Communist party, you ninny. And he visited >> Russia. so what? and he avoided the draft in the Vietnam War: >> good for him! > > You say good for Clinton for avoiding the draft yet you decry Bush > for joining the national guard. > You have a way of over simplifying and issue to the point of misrepresenting it. Clinton had deferrments (just like Cheney, Quayle, etc.) did not believe in the Vietnam War (unlike Cheney, Quayle, etc.) and justly avoided combat. The war was conroversial at best. It can be argued that there was nothing about fighting the VW that served our national interests, it was not being fought in a way that would lead to victory, and it is not clear that victory was even possible. It may be that Vietnam to us was as the Afghanistan war was to the Soviets. Good people went and good people avoided going, all for good reasons. Joining the guard in and of itself is a great thing. However what Bush did was not wholly honorable. he used family connections to leapfrog 100,000 oher applicants and landed a position that by rights someone else should have had. He pulled strings to land a job that would keep him out of the war, yet he supported the war. Tthis is what is termed a "chicken hawk". He also saw fit to miss up to five months of duty, without permission, to serve on a family friend's political campaign. He missed a mandatory physical and lost his flight status. He got permission to move to Massachussets to go to Harvard on the condition that he would finish his commitment, but then applied for and received an early discharge. .