Subj : Re: Rescue Me To : alt.tv.farscape From : weirdwolf Date : Thu Sep 08 2005 20:46:06 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Trouble wrote in news:P9ydnSNGftD0Eb3eRVn-2w@comcast.com: > weirdwolf wrote: > >>>>> weirdwolf wrote: > >>>>>> We both know that 99.9% of the stuff taught in womans >>>>>> selfdefence >>>>>> classes is utter crap. > >> The reason I started learning ju jutsu was ease with which the >> teacher dealt with things. > > The teacher, and attitude is all important > >> The teacher was a thug plain and simple but he knew his stuff and the >> stuff he taught was nasty. If I hadn't become ill I would have still >> been doing it. > > Kewl, there is a guy around here I want to train with, but I have > other priorities (education, programming) keeping me from doing that. > >> Do you mind if I ask you if you have trained in anything in >> particular? > > Its all weapons training I'm afraid, longbow, compund bow, rifle, > shotgun, pistol, muzzle loaders, foil, and greatsword. Lucky more like. Tut tut, I would have thought you would have been more of an epee type,(see an insult only fencers understand.) Most of my time was doing Ju jutsu, with a bit of some Okinawan kempo, and a couple of different styles of karate. So the Ju jutsu was a lot of weapons work mainly knife,yawara, baton, katana, wakizashi, (both iai and ken jutsu) shuriken/shaken,manriki gusari, rokushaku bo and jo. Along with the usual other stuff like naginata etc. I tended to focus on the knife and sword work, probably because I started out as fencer. I'm surprised you haven't done more knife work, you can't defend against it if you can't use it. > I saw my stage combat instructor Monday for the first time in 10 > years... > > It was in the federal armed guard training I took, that I first found > out that standard police handcuffs don't fit my wrists. Definitely going to be more polite to you now.. > Everything else has been practice/sparring with friends who had 2 > ranks in their style on average. > > It seems despite all the reading on the subject, I'm a grappler plain > and simple. Almost everything for me comes down to locks, and holding > the other guy til he gets tired. The advantage of being long in the limb, you get damn good leverage, hip throws are pretty much out of the question though. My first teacher looked at me and said you'll have to learn them so you can teach them but I'll teach you neck locks and strangle/chokes they will be a lot more use to you. >>> This is why I suggested Krav Maga, if its good enough for the >>> Israelli Army its good enough for Claire, plus the concentration on >>> lower body strength works well for women. > >> Ahh it's a load of the same old crap stuff smartly packaged >> The Isreali army don't use krav magav they use helicopter gunships >> and tanks. > > Yeah, but if you read any of the manuals for our guys its judo and tae > kwon do, but all we use are smartbombs and m-16s(m-4s actually) Blergh, I've never seen the interest in TKD as martial art, if you want to learn how to kick and strike boxing and Muay thai are vastly superior. I'm not knocking it as a sport but I've never met a single solitary TKD guy who could really mix it up. >>> It does not take any strength at all. > >> I know the lock it doesn't take any strength on a compliant practice >> partner. When you are flooded with adrenaline, losing fine motor >> control and actually being attacked it's a hell of a lot different. > > adrenaline causes the body to make cortisol, when they feel no pain > from the cortisol, then locks based on pain threshold don't work. > Locks of that type are only good if they're used to diffuse the > situation before they get to that point. There is nothing worse than hearing that nasty cracking noise when you break somebodies elbow and the bastard doesn't miss a beat. Thank god druggies are more suceptable than most to a good strangle. > I usually end up with arm locks that deny the target leverage, hands > are behind the back in handcuffing position, face on the ground, legs > splayed out, knee in the middle of their back. This is when I start > asking them where do we go from here... My main teachers were both ex-police and had taught the police. In the end they both got pissed off at what you can teach, we were always taught not to hold the lock but to destroy the joint. People get used to the pain of a lock and can fight against it. Police tactics are usually so much different because of having to stay within guidelines for excessive force, having the backup to pile onto a suspect and most importantly never having enough time and bloody money in the budget to get enough of the right training. >>> A LONG RANGE weapon, or loud horn may deter an attacker, this is >>> best for all involved it to make it hard for them to get close >>> enough to do something. > >> I'm all about avoiding the fighting, being short and likely to fall >> over at the first available opportunity fighting is the last thing on >> my mind. I unfortunately have learned from painful experience it >> causes pain to all the parties involved. > > The worst thing that can happen is two people fighting that are evenly > matched, without a quick decisive win, people just keep hurting each > other. Breaking up said fights is also not fun. I have knife scars that will agree with you. >>> And yes I'm a big guy, as I've said here before the best technique >>> I've found for dealing with attackers is to hoist them over my head, >>> and wait for them to figure out who is in control. > >> OOKKkay then, maybe I will just agree with yo from now on... >> Eeep.. > > That was many years ago... I'm a desk jockey now. Dude at least you don't sway at the slightest puff of wind. >>> The attacker is never rational to begin with, and you have to evoke >>> fear of being seen, being caught, something they are helpless >>> against in order to overcome that behavior. > >> One of my teachers girlfriends had been attacked by a guy with a bit >> of 4 by 2. He snuck up behind her and hit her, she got up and he hit >> her again, she got up again and he hit her again, the third time >> that she got up he ran away. No fancy skills involved but there is >> little doubt that her attitude saved her. > > Was she built like a Welsh coal miner? No, a grade a bitch by all accounts though. > There was a video done on rape victims, and rapists, the best thing > you can do is struggle, the rapist wants to get the woman somewhere > quiet where he can do his thing, a woman who struggles, or fights is > not the victim that he wants. yet the police in this country still trot out the old don't struggle and you won't get hurt chestnut. Obviously the people behind this have never dealt with a rape victim. Ted -- Stare too long into the abyss and the abyss looks like a nifty place to hide the bodies .