Subj : Re: Rescue Me To : alt.tv.farscape From : Trouble Date : Thu Sep 08 2005 15:09:29 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape weirdwolf wrote: >>>> weirdwolf wrote: >>>>> We both know that 99.9% of the stuff taught in womans selfdefence >>>>> classes is utter crap. > The reason I started learning ju jutsu was ease with which the > teacher dealt with things. The teacher, and attitude is all important > The teacher was a thug plain and simple but he knew his stuff and the > stuff he taught was nasty. If I hadn't become ill I would have still > been doing it. Kewl, there is a guy around here I want to train with, but I have other priorities (education, programming) keeping me from doing that. > Do you mind if I ask you if you have trained in anything in > particular? Its all weapons training I'm afraid, longbow, compund bow, rifle, shotgun, pistol, muzzle loaders, foil, and greatsword. I saw my stage combat instructor Monday for the first time in 10 years... It was in the federal armed guard training I took, that I first found out that standard police handcuffs don't fit my wrists. Everything else has been practice/sparring with friends who had 2 ranks in their style on average. It seems despite all the reading on the subject, I'm a grappler plain and simple. Almost everything for me comes down to locks, and holding the other guy til he gets tired. >> This is why I suggested Krav Maga, if its good enough for the >> Israelli Army its good enough for Claire, plus the concentration on >> lower body strength works well for women. > Ahh it's a load of the same old crap stuff smartly packaged > The Isreali army don't use krav magav they use helicopter gunships > and tanks. Yeah, but if you read any of the manuals for our guys its judo and tae kwon do, but all we use are smartbombs and m-16s(m-4s actually) >> It does not take any strength at all. > I know the lock it doesn't take any strength on a compliant practice > partner. When you are flooded with adrenaline, losing fine motor > control and actually being attacked it's a hell of a lot different. adrenaline causes the body to make cortisol, when they feel no pain from the cortisol, then locks based on pain threshold don't work. Locks of that type are only good if they're used to diffuse the situation before they get to that point. I usually end up with arm locks that deny the target leverage, hands are behind the back in handcuffing position, face on the ground, legs splayed out, knee in the middle of their back. This is when I start asking them where do we go from here... >> A LONG RANGE weapon, or loud horn may deter an attacker, this is best >> for all involved it to make it hard for them to get close enough to >> do something. > I'm all about avoiding the fighting, being short and likely to fall > over at the first available opportunity fighting is the last thing on > my mind. I unfortunately have learned from painful experience it > causes pain to all the parties involved. The worst thing that can happen is two people fighting that are evenly matched, without a quick decisive win, people just keep hurting each other. Breaking up said fights is also not fun. >> And yes I'm a big guy, as I've said here before the best technique >> I've found for dealing with attackers is to hoist them over my head, >> and wait for them to figure out who is in control. > OOKKkay then, maybe I will just agree with yo from now on... > Eeep.. That was many years ago... I'm a desk jockey now. >> The attacker is never rational to begin with, and you have to evoke >> fear of being seen, being caught, something they are helpless against >> in order to overcome that behavior. > One of my teachers girlfriends had been attacked by a guy with a bit > of 4 by 2. He snuck up behind her and hit her, she got up and he hit > her again, she got up again and he hit her again, the third time that > she got up he ran away. No fancy skills involved but there is little > doubt that her attitude saved her. Was she built like a Welsh coal miner? There was a video done on rape victims, and rapists, the best thing you can do is struggle, the rapist wants to get the woman somewhere quiet where he can do his thing, a woman who struggles, or fights is not the victim that he wants. >>> This is one of my bugbears about womens self defence courses they >>> are taught in an environment where people to resist the technique >>> and you see people taking one or two lessons at the Y and thinking >>> that is all they need. >> Wait you mean that performing the technique satisfactorally in a >> class, with somebody else who's not vested in the outcome isn't a >> good way to determine real world performance... >> Its no wonder all our self-confidence out your ass kids these days >> don't do better when they are faced with genuine adversity. > Everybodies perfect when the heats not on. -- "Do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the wise. Seek what they sought." --Basho .