Subj : Re: Rescue Me To : alt.tv.farscape From : weirdwolf Date : Thu Sep 08 2005 19:05:53 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Trouble wrote in news:q7SdnUDip4fS673eRVn-ig@comcast.com: > weirdwolf wrote: > >> Trouble wrote: >>> weirdwolf wrote: > >>>> We both know that 99.9% of the stuff taught in womans selfdefence >>>> classes is utter crap. > >>> Is there a Krav Maga class anywhere nearby she could take? > >> OW! fortunately no, perhaps Taekwondo would be an alternative just >> as >> good. > > I don't know I'd have to find a Tae Kwon Do dojo that wasn't centered > around winning trophies, and building confidence... > > I'd do some research for something; Wing Chun, Muay Thai, Jeet Kune > Do, where the traditional practicioners are small, and sometimes > women... The reason I started learning ju jutsu was ease with which the teacher dealt with things. I saw wing chun, muay thai, karate, TKD various styles of kung fu and whenever I looked they all seemed to be missing various bits. Muay thai was great for striking, wing chun for in fighting, but despite doing other stuff I liked the ju jutsu because it used various ranges, lots of weapons work a flexible response and most importantly it suited my attitude. The teacher was a thug plain and simple but he knew his stuff and the stuff he taught was nasty. If I hadn't become ill I would have still been doing it. Do you mind if I ask you if you have trained in anything in particular? > This is why I suggested Krav Maga, if its good enough for the Israelli > Army its good enough for Claire, plus the concentration on lower body > strength works well for women. Ahh it's a load of the same old crap stuff smartly packaged with an over the top price tag. The Isreali army don't use krav magav they use helicopter gunships and tanks. >>> My favorite is a simple wrist lock the levers the palm of someone's >>> hand and creates pain in the wrist by pulling tendons, it takes >>> surprisingly little force, and only leaves the victim a little sore >>> when released. > >> Wrist locks are nice and I have used them but it's a >> different matter in the real world. You are a large chap I should >> guess from the various decriptions do you really believe somebody >> without your body weight, limb length and muscle would be able to >> move a determined attackers wrist. > > ask Claire to put her thumb outside of your palm, and the rest of her > hand on the inside, then push the palm down/back towards the attacker > so as to hyperextend the tendons... > > It does not take any strength at all. I know the lock it doesn't take any strength on a compliant practice partner. When you are flooded with adrenaline, losing fine motor control and actually being attacked it's a hell of a lot different. > There are other problems of taking the initiative, and drastic > differences in size (height mostly) make it hard to get to soft > spots... Yeah Claire was raised as a young lady, the idea of sticking a knife in somebodies throat and wiggling it about a bit doesn't appeal to her. Pansy. It's a thing I saw a lot, not just in women by the way but predominantly the female of the species, a wish not to hurt the person attacking them. > A LONG RANGE weapon, or loud horn may deter an attacker, this is best > for all involved it to make it hard for them to get close enough to do > something. I'm all about avoiding the fighting, being short and likely to fall over at the first available opportunity fighting is the last thing on my mind. I unfortunately have learned from painful experience it causes pain to all the parties involved. > > And yes I'm a big guy, as I've said here before the best technique > I've found for dealing with attackers is to hoist them over my head, > and wait for them to figure out who is in control. OOKKkay then, maybe I will just agree with yo from now on... Eeep.. > The attacker is never rational to begin with, and you have to evoke > fear of being seen, being caught, something they are helpless against > in order to overcome that behavior. > One of my teachers girlfriends had been attacked by a guy with a bit of 4 by 2. He snuck up behind her and hit her, she got up and he hit her again, she got up again and he hit her again, the third time that she got up he ran away. No fancy skills involved but there is little doubt that her attitude saved her. >> This is one of my bugbears about womens self defence courses they are >> taught in an environment where people to resist the technique and you >> see people taking one or two lessons at the Y and thinking that is >> all they need. > > Wait you mean that performing the technique satisfactorally in a > class, with somebody else who's not vested in the outcome isn't a good > way to determine real world performance... > > Its no wonder all our self-confidence out your ass kids these days > don't do better when they are faced with genuine adversity. > Everybodies perfect when the heats not on. Ted -- Stare too long into the abyss and the abyss looks like a nifty place to hide the bodies .