Subj : Re: It seems not everyone shares the "Blame Bush All The Way" viewpoint... To : alt.tv.farscape From : Chaya Date : Wed Sep 07 2005 14:25:27 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Nick wrote: > Chaya wrote: > >> Nick wrote: >> >>> Chaya wrote: >>> >>>> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chaya wrote in >>>>> news:Xns96C9A3B9D86A2chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >>>>> >>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Over the weekend, ABC/Washington Post poll reveals that >>>>>>>>> despite the massive criticism aired 24/7 on Bush, most >>>>>>>>> Americans just don't see it that way; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/8lbd5 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And while the federal response was way too slow and >>>>>>>>> disasters of this size should NOT be handled by FEMA, but >>>>>>>>> rather the US military (which has no buerocracy to get in >>>>>>>>> the way), I do have some questions for the local 'n state >>>>>>>>> authorities, namely; >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why did the Mayor of New Orleans wait until SUNDAY to order >>>>>>>>> the manditory evacuation of his city? 24 hours after both >>>>>>>>> the govenor AND Bush pleaded with him to do so? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Why didn't the Superdome & Convention Center have ANY water >>>>>>>>> 'n food supplies IF they were suppose to be shelters? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And if they weren't capable of handling that number of >>>>>>>>> people, then why didn't they use the school 'n tourist >>>>>>>>> buses (there were over 500 that survived the hurricane) to >>>>>>>>> start getting them out BEFORE the flood waters cut off the >>>>>>>>> city? In fact, why didn't they start moving people out on >>>>>>>>> Saturday? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> When word of the water barriers breaking reached the gov's >>>>>>>>> office on Monday, why didn't she send in the National Guard >>>>>>>>> (over 5,000 soldiers who had already been activated) into >>>>>>>>> New Orleans right away before the flood waters cut off the >>>>>>>>> city? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think that after all this is over and the investigations >>>>>>>>> are concluded, we'll have a new FEMA director, a new >>>>>>>>> federal system for handling disaters of this massive size >>>>>>>>> (which is larger than ANY in US history), and hopefully New >>>>>>>>> Orleans will have a new Mayor and perhaps an actual plan to >>>>>>>>> deal with a situation everyone knew could happen over the >>>>>>>>> past 40 years. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would be very surprised if GWB fired anyone over this. He >>>>>>>> only seems to can people who disagree with him, including >>>>>>>> the Director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics (who >>>>>>>> refused to bury statistical findings that racial profiling >>>>>>>> is alive and well). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://littlink.com/owv5y >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If all were equally likely to be stopped it doesn't sound >>>>>>> like racial profiling. Now, there were some problems with >>>>>>> what happened afterwards, I'll agree. But I thought racial >>>>>>> profiling had to do with who got stopped. Do I have the >>>>>>> definition incorrect? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The term "racial profiling" kind of encompasses the whole >>>>>> spectrum, including stopping, searching, citing, ticketing, >>>>>> etc. Officers may stop people equally, but they be more likely >>>>>> to issue citations to minority drivers, for example. >>>>>> >>>>>> What I haven't seen is any indication the study controlled for >>>>>> things like prior criminal record, outstanding warrants, or >>>>>> suspect demeanor toward the police (which would increase the >>>>>> likelihood of arrest). >>>>>> >>>>>> My main concern about this issue was that there was an attempt >>>>>> to bury it. I mean, why not say, "Hey, guess what? Minority >>>>>> drivers aren't any more likely to be stopped than white >>>>>> drivers according to this study. However, they are more likely >>>>>> to be searched, ticketed, and arrested. We need to find out >>>>>> why." >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> McVeigh was a white Republcan, wasn't he? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes... he's the example I tend to use when people argue that we >>>> should use racial profiling to identify terrorists. >>>> >>> >>> He is one example. Do the numbers say that there is no >>> correlation? >> >> >> It depends on what you're trying to correlate. Plus, how much >> data do we really have on terrorist attacks? Can't calculate >> correlations with n=2. >> >> (I guess n=3 if you count the bombing of the WTC.) > > When we had the serial killer here a couple of years ago it took a > really long time to catch him. Some people had actually made tips > about the man who actually did it but, since he is a black man and > serial killers are always white men, they didn't pick him up until a > couple more murders occurred. See? Profiling=bad. .