Subj : Re: It seems not everyone shares the "Blame Bush All The Way" viewpoint... To : alt.tv.farscape From : Nick Date : Wed Sep 07 2005 13:45:05 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape weirdwolf wrote: > Nick wrote in > news:Xns96CA4D1AE3B41ndtcm@204.153.244.170: > >> Nick wrote: >> >>> Jim Larson wrote: >>> >>>> Nick wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote in >>>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96C9A3B9D86A2chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the weekend, ABC/Washington Post poll reveals that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> despite the massive criticism aired 24/7 on Bush, most >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans just don't see it that way; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/8lbd5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And while the federal response was way too slow and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters of this size should NOT be handled by FEMA, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather the US military (which has no buerocracy to get in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way), I do have some questions for the local 'n state >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authorities, namely; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why did the Mayor of New Orleans wait until SUNDAY to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order the manditory evacuation of his city? 24 hours >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after both the govenor AND Bush pleaded with him to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't the Superdome & Convention Center have ANY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water 'n food supplies IF they were suppose to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelters? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if they weren't capable of handling that number of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people, then why didn't they use the school 'n tourist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buses (there were over 500 that survived the hurricane) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to start getting them out BEFORE the flood waters cut off >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the city? In fact, why didn't they start moving people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out on Saturday? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When word of the water barriers breaking reached the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gov's office on Monday, why didn't she send in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Guard (over 5,000 soldiers who had already been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> activated) into New Orleans right away before the flood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waters cut off the city? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that after all this is over and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> investigations are concluded, we'll have a new FEMA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> director, a new federal system for handling disaters of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this massive size (which is larger than ANY in US >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history), and hopefully New Orleans will have a new Mayor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and perhaps an actual plan to deal with a situation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone knew could happen over the past 40 years. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be very surprised if GWB fired anyone over this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He only seems to can people who disagree with him, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> including the Director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (who refused to bury statistical findings that racial >>>>>>>>>>>>>> profiling is alive and well). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://littlink.com/owv5y >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If all were equally likely to be stopped it doesn't sound >>>>>>>>>>>>> like racial profiling. Now, there were some problems with >>>>>>>>>>>>> what happened afterwards, I'll agree. But I thought racial >>>>>>>>>>>>> profiling had to do with who got stopped. Do I have the >>>>>>>>>>>>> definition incorrect? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The term "racial profiling" kind of encompasses the whole >>>>>>>>>>>> spectrum, including stopping, searching, citing, ticketing, >>>>>>>>>>>> etc. Officers may stop people equally, but they be more >>>>>>>>>>>> likely to issue citations to minority drivers, for example. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> What I haven't seen is any indication the study controlled >>>>>>>>>>>> for things like prior criminal record, outstanding warrants, >>>>>>>>>>>> or suspect demeanor toward the police (which would increase >>>>>>>>>>>> the likelihood of arrest). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> My main concern about this issue was that there was an >>>>>>>>>>>> attempt to bury it. I mean, why not say, "Hey, guess what? >>>>>>>>>>>> Minority drivers aren't any more likely to be stopped than >>>>>>>>>>>> white drivers according to this study. However, they are >>>>>>>>>>>> more likely to be searched, ticketed, and arrested. We need >>>>>>>>>>>> to find out why." >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> McVeigh was a white Republcan, wasn't he? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes... he's the example I tend to use when people argue that >>>>>>>>>> we should use racial profiling to identify terrorists. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He is one example. Do the numbers say that there is no >>>>>>>>> correlation? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It depends on what you're trying to correlate. Plus, how much >>>>>>>> data do we really have on terrorist attacks? Can't calculate >>>>>>>> correlations with n=2. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (I guess n=3 if you count the bombing of the WTC.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When we had the serial killer here a couple of years ago it took >>>>>>> a really long time to catch him. Some people had actually made >>>>>>> tips about the man who actually did it but, since he is a black >>>>>>> man and serial killers are always white men, they didn't pick him >>>>>>> up until a couple more murders occurred. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Wasn't the Atlanta guy black as well? >>>>> >>>>> I dunno. They did pick up the guy from here in Atlanta. >>>>> Was there another one there? >>>>> >>>> >>>> This guy: >>>> >>>> http://members.fortunecity.com/hiper22/williams_mo.htm >>>> >>> >>> Ok, that is a different guy. >>> >> >> Here is the Baton Rouge guy. >> http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/derrick.htm >> >> Actually there are two Baton Rouge serial killers and possibly a third >> one still on the loose. >> > > So Nick just what is it aboput your neighbourhood that attracts the > psychotic? > Good schools, easy parking, concert orchestra? > Ted > We don't attract them. We create them. I honestly don't know. Baton Rouge isn't, errr wasn't, a big city. It is really a big college town. .