Subj : Re: It seems not everyone shares the "Blame Bush All The Way" viewpoint... To : alt.tv.farscape From : Nick Date : Wed Sep 07 2005 13:35:56 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Nick wrote: > Nick wrote: > >> Jim Larson wrote: >> >>> Nick wrote: >>> >>>> Jim Larson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote in >>>>>>>>>> news:Xns96C9A3B9D86A2chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the weekend, ABC/Washington Post poll reveals that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> despite the massive criticism aired 24/7 on Bush, most >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans just don't see it that way; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/8lbd5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And while the federal response was way too slow and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters of this size should NOT be handled by FEMA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> but rather the US military (which has no buerocracy to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> get in the way), I do have some questions for the local >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'n state authorities, namely; >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why did the Mayor of New Orleans wait until SUNDAY to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> order the manditory evacuation of his city? 24 hours >>>>>>>>>>>>>> after both the govenor AND Bush pleaded with him to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> so? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't the Superdome & Convention Center have ANY >>>>>>>>>>>>>> water 'n food supplies IF they were suppose to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> shelters? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if they weren't capable of handling that number of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people, then why didn't they use the school 'n tourist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> buses (there were over 500 that survived the hurricane) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to start getting them out BEFORE the flood waters cut >>>>>>>>>>>>>> off the city? In fact, why didn't they start moving >>>>>>>>>>>>>> people out on Saturday? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> When word of the water barriers breaking reached the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gov's office on Monday, why didn't she send in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Guard (over 5,000 soldiers who had already been >>>>>>>>>>>>>> activated) into New Orleans right away before the flood >>>>>>>>>>>>>> waters cut off the city? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that after all this is over and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> investigations are concluded, we'll have a new FEMA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> director, a new federal system for handling disaters of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> this massive size (which is larger than ANY in US >>>>>>>>>>>>>> history), and hopefully New Orleans will have a new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mayor and perhaps an actual plan to deal with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> situation everyone knew could happen over the past 40 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> years. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be very surprised if GWB fired anyone over this. >>>>>>>>>>>>> He only seems to can people who disagree with him, >>>>>>>>>>>>> including the Director of the Bureau of Justice >>>>>>>>>>>>> Statistics (who refused to bury statistical findings that >>>>>>>>>>>>> racial profiling is alive and well). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://littlink.com/owv5y >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If all were equally likely to be stopped it doesn't sound >>>>>>>>>>>> like racial profiling. Now, there were some problems with >>>>>>>>>>>> what happened afterwards, I'll agree. But I thought >>>>>>>>>>>> racial profiling had to do with who got stopped. Do I >>>>>>>>>>>> have the definition incorrect? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The term "racial profiling" kind of encompasses the whole >>>>>>>>>>> spectrum, including stopping, searching, citing, ticketing, >>>>>>>>>>> etc. Officers may stop people equally, but they be more >>>>>>>>>>> likely to issue citations to minority drivers, for example. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> What I haven't seen is any indication the study controlled >>>>>>>>>>> for things like prior criminal record, outstanding >>>>>>>>>>> warrants, or suspect demeanor toward the police (which >>>>>>>>>>> would increase the likelihood of arrest). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> My main concern about this issue was that there was an >>>>>>>>>>> attempt to bury it. I mean, why not say, "Hey, guess what? >>>>>>>>>>> Minority drivers aren't any more likely to be stopped than >>>>>>>>>>> white drivers according to this study. However, they are >>>>>>>>>>> more likely to be searched, ticketed, and arrested. We need >>>>>>>>>>> to find out why." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> McVeigh was a white Republcan, wasn't he? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes... he's the example I tend to use when people argue that >>>>>>>>> we should use racial profiling to identify terrorists. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> He is one example. Do the numbers say that there is no >>>>>>>> correlation? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It depends on what you're trying to correlate. Plus, how much >>>>>>> data do we really have on terrorist attacks? Can't calculate >>>>>>> correlations with n=2. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (I guess n=3 if you count the bombing of the WTC.) >>>>>> >>>>>> When we had the serial killer here a couple of years ago it took >>>>>> a really long time to catch him. Some people had actually made >>>>>> tips about the man who actually did it but, since he is a black >>>>>> man and serial killers are always white men, they didn't pick >>>>>> him up until a couple more murders occurred. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Wasn't the Atlanta guy black as well? >>>> >>>> I dunno. They did pick up the guy from here in Atlanta. >>>> Was there another one there? >>>> >>> >>> This guy: >>> >>> http://members.fortunecity.com/hiper22/williams_mo.htm >>> >> >> Ok, that is a different guy. >> > > Here is the Baton Rouge guy. > http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/derrick.htm > > Actually there are two Baton Rouge serial killers and possibly a > third one still on the loose. > Oops, no pic on that one. http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/28/louisiana.kiilings/ .