Subj : Re: It seems not everyone shares the "Blame Bush All The Way" viewpoint... To : alt.tv.farscape From : Nick Date : Wed Sep 07 2005 13:34:47 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Nick wrote: > Jim Larson wrote: > >> Nick wrote: >> >>> Jim Larson wrote: >>> >>>> Nick wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote in >>>>>>>>> news:Xns96C9A3B9D86A2chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Over the weekend, ABC/Washington Post poll reveals that >>>>>>>>>>>>> despite the massive criticism aired 24/7 on Bush, most >>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans just don't see it that way; >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/8lbd5 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And while the federal response was way too slow and >>>>>>>>>>>>> disasters of this size should NOT be handled by FEMA, but >>>>>>>>>>>>> rather the US military (which has no buerocracy to get in >>>>>>>>>>>>> the way), I do have some questions for the local 'n state >>>>>>>>>>>>> authorities, namely; >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why did the Mayor of New Orleans wait until SUNDAY to >>>>>>>>>>>>> order the manditory evacuation of his city? 24 hours >>>>>>>>>>>>> after both the govenor AND Bush pleaded with him to do so? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't the Superdome & Convention Center have ANY >>>>>>>>>>>>> water 'n food supplies IF they were suppose to be shelters? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if they weren't capable of handling that number of >>>>>>>>>>>>> people, then why didn't they use the school 'n tourist >>>>>>>>>>>>> buses (there were over 500 that survived the hurricane) >>>>>>>>>>>>> to start getting them out BEFORE the flood waters cut off >>>>>>>>>>>>> the city? In fact, why didn't they start moving people >>>>>>>>>>>>> out on Saturday? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> When word of the water barriers breaking reached the >>>>>>>>>>>>> gov's office on Monday, why didn't she send in the >>>>>>>>>>>>> National Guard (over 5,000 soldiers who had already been >>>>>>>>>>>>> activated) into New Orleans right away before the flood >>>>>>>>>>>>> waters cut off the city? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that after all this is over and the >>>>>>>>>>>>> investigations are concluded, we'll have a new FEMA >>>>>>>>>>>>> director, a new federal system for handling disaters of >>>>>>>>>>>>> this massive size (which is larger than ANY in US >>>>>>>>>>>>> history), and hopefully New Orleans will have a new Mayor >>>>>>>>>>>>> and perhaps an actual plan to deal with a situation everyone >>>>>>>>>>>>> knew could happen over the past 40 years. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would be very surprised if GWB fired anyone over this. >>>>>>>>>>>> He only seems to can people who disagree with him, including >>>>>>>>>>>> the Director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics (who refused >>>>>>>>>>>> to bury statistical findings that racial profiling is alive >>>>>>>>>>>> and well). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://littlink.com/owv5y >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> If all were equally likely to be stopped it doesn't sound >>>>>>>>>>> like racial profiling. Now, there were some problems with >>>>>>>>>>> what happened afterwards, I'll agree. But I thought racial >>>>>>>>>>> profiling had to do with who got stopped. Do I have the >>>>>>>>>>> definition incorrect? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The term "racial profiling" kind of encompasses the whole >>>>>>>>>> spectrum, including stopping, searching, citing, ticketing, >>>>>>>>>> etc. Officers may stop people equally, but they be more >>>>>>>>>> likely to issue citations to minority drivers, for example. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What I haven't seen is any indication the study controlled >>>>>>>>>> for things like prior criminal record, outstanding warrants, or >>>>>>>>>> suspect demeanor toward the police (which would increase >>>>>>>>>> the likelihood of arrest). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My main concern about this issue was that there was an >>>>>>>>>> attempt to bury it. I mean, why not say, "Hey, guess what? >>>>>>>>>> Minority drivers aren't any more likely to be stopped than >>>>>>>>>> white drivers according to this study. However, they are >>>>>>>>>> more likely to be searched, ticketed, and arrested. We need >>>>>>>>>> to find out why." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> McVeigh was a white Republcan, wasn't he? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes... he's the example I tend to use when people argue that >>>>>>>> we should use racial profiling to identify terrorists. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> He is one example. Do the numbers say that there is no >>>>>>> correlation? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It depends on what you're trying to correlate. Plus, how much >>>>>> data do we really have on terrorist attacks? Can't calculate >>>>>> correlations with n=2. >>>>>> >>>>>> (I guess n=3 if you count the bombing of the WTC.) >>>>> >>>>> When we had the serial killer here a couple of years ago it took >>>>> a really long time to catch him. Some people had actually made >>>>> tips about the man who actually did it but, since he is a black >>>>> man and serial killers are always white men, they didn't pick him >>>>> up until a couple more murders occurred. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Wasn't the Atlanta guy black as well? >>> >>> I dunno. They did pick up the guy from here in Atlanta. >>> Was there another one there? >>> >> >> This guy: >> >> http://members.fortunecity.com/hiper22/williams_mo.htm >> > > Ok, that is a different guy. > Here is the Baton Rouge guy. http://crime.about.com/od/current/a/derrick.htm Actually there are two Baton Rouge serial killers and possibly a third one still on the loose. .