Subj : Re: It seems not everyone shares the "Blame Bush All The Way" viewpoint... To : alt.tv.farscape From : Nick Date : Wed Sep 07 2005 13:29:14 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Jim Larson wrote: > Nick wrote: > >> Jim Larson wrote: >> >>> Nick wrote: >>> >>>> Chaya wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chaya wrote in >>>>>>>> news:Xns96C9A3B9D86A2chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Over the weekend, ABC/Washington Post poll reveals that >>>>>>>>>>>> despite the massive criticism aired 24/7 on Bush, most >>>>>>>>>>>> Americans just don't see it that way; >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/8lbd5 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And while the federal response was way too slow and >>>>>>>>>>>> disasters of this size should NOT be handled by FEMA, but >>>>>>>>>>>> rather the US military (which has no buerocracy to get in >>>>>>>>>>>> the way), I do have some questions for the local 'n state >>>>>>>>>>>> authorities, namely; >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why did the Mayor of New Orleans wait until SUNDAY to >>>>>>>>>>>> order the manditory evacuation of his city? 24 hours >>>>>>>>>>>> after both the govenor AND Bush pleaded with him to do so? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't the Superdome & Convention Center have ANY >>>>>>>>>>>> water 'n food supplies IF they were suppose to be shelters? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> And if they weren't capable of handling that number of >>>>>>>>>>>> people, then why didn't they use the school 'n tourist >>>>>>>>>>>> buses (there were over 500 that survived the hurricane) >>>>>>>>>>>> to start getting them out BEFORE the flood waters cut off >>>>>>>>>>>> the city? In fact, why didn't they start moving people >>>>>>>>>>>> out on Saturday? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> When word of the water barriers breaking reached the >>>>>>>>>>>> gov's office on Monday, why didn't she send in the >>>>>>>>>>>> National Guard (over 5,000 soldiers who had already been >>>>>>>>>>>> activated) into New Orleans right away before the flood >>>>>>>>>>>> waters cut off the city? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I think that after all this is over and the >>>>>>>>>>>> investigations are concluded, we'll have a new FEMA >>>>>>>>>>>> director, a new federal system for handling disaters of >>>>>>>>>>>> this massive size (which is larger than ANY in US >>>>>>>>>>>> history), and hopefully New Orleans will have a new Mayor >>>>>>>>>>>> and perhaps an actual plan to deal with a situation everyone >>>>>>>>>>>> knew could happen over the past 40 years. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I would be very surprised if GWB fired anyone over this. >>>>>>>>>>> He only seems to can people who disagree with him, including >>>>>>>>>>> the Director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics (who refused >>>>>>>>>>> to bury statistical findings that racial profiling is alive >>>>>>>>>>> and well). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://littlink.com/owv5y >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If all were equally likely to be stopped it doesn't sound >>>>>>>>>> like racial profiling. Now, there were some problems with >>>>>>>>>> what happened afterwards, I'll agree. But I thought racial >>>>>>>>>> profiling had to do with who got stopped. Do I have the >>>>>>>>>> definition incorrect? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The term "racial profiling" kind of encompasses the whole >>>>>>>>> spectrum, including stopping, searching, citing, ticketing, >>>>>>>>> etc. Officers may stop people equally, but they be more >>>>>>>>> likely to issue citations to minority drivers, for example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What I haven't seen is any indication the study controlled >>>>>>>>> for things like prior criminal record, outstanding warrants, or >>>>>>>>> suspect demeanor toward the police (which would increase >>>>>>>>> the likelihood of arrest). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My main concern about this issue was that there was an >>>>>>>>> attempt to bury it. I mean, why not say, "Hey, guess what? >>>>>>>>> Minority drivers aren't any more likely to be stopped than >>>>>>>>> white drivers according to this study. However, they are >>>>>>>>> more likely to be searched, ticketed, and arrested. We need >>>>>>>>> to find out why." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> McVeigh was a white Republcan, wasn't he? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes... he's the example I tend to use when people argue that >>>>>>> we should use racial profiling to identify terrorists. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> He is one example. Do the numbers say that there is no >>>>>> correlation? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It depends on what you're trying to correlate. Plus, how much >>>>> data do we really have on terrorist attacks? Can't calculate >>>>> correlations with n=2. >>>>> >>>>> (I guess n=3 if you count the bombing of the WTC.) >>>> >>>> When we had the serial killer here a couple of years ago it took >>>> a really long time to catch him. Some people had actually made >>>> tips about the man who actually did it but, since he is a black >>>> man and serial killers are always white men, they didn't pick him >>>> up until a couple more murders occurred. >>>> >>> >>> Wasn't the Atlanta guy black as well? >> >> I dunno. They did pick up the guy from here in Atlanta. >> Was there another one there? >> > > This guy: > > http://members.fortunecity.com/hiper22/williams_mo.htm > Ok, that is a different guy. .