Subj : Re: It seems not everyone shares the "Blame Bush All The Way" viewpoint... To : alt.tv.farscape From : Jim Larson Date : Wed Sep 07 2005 03:55:33 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Nick wrote: > Jim Larson wrote: > >> Nick wrote: >> >>> Chaya wrote: >>> >>>> Nick wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Chaya wrote in >>>>>>> news:Xns96C9A3B9D86A2chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Over the weekend, ABC/Washington Post poll reveals that >>>>>>>>>>> despite the massive criticism aired 24/7 on Bush, most >>>>>>>>>>> Americans just don't see it that way; >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/8lbd5 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And while the federal response was way too slow and >>>>>>>>>>> disasters of this size should NOT be handled by FEMA, but >>>>>>>>>>> rather the US military (which has no buerocracy to get in >>>>>>>>>>> the way), I do have some questions for the local 'n state >>>>>>>>>>> authorities, namely; >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why did the Mayor of New Orleans wait until SUNDAY to >>>>>>>>>>> order the manditory evacuation of his city? 24 hours >>>>>>>>>>> after both the govenor AND Bush pleaded with him to do >>>>>>>>>>> so? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Why didn't the Superdome & Convention Center have ANY >>>>>>>>>>> water 'n food supplies IF they were suppose to be >>>>>>>>>>> shelters? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> And if they weren't capable of handling that number of >>>>>>>>>>> people, then why didn't they use the school 'n tourist >>>>>>>>>>> buses (there were over 500 that survived the hurricane) >>>>>>>>>>> to start getting them out BEFORE the flood waters cut off >>>>>>>>>>> the city? In fact, why didn't they start moving people >>>>>>>>>>> out on Saturday? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When word of the water barriers breaking reached the >>>>>>>>>>> gov's office on Monday, why didn't she send in the >>>>>>>>>>> National Guard (over 5,000 soldiers who had already been >>>>>>>>>>> activated) into New Orleans right away before the flood >>>>>>>>>>> waters cut off the city? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think that after all this is over and the >>>>>>>>>>> investigations are concluded, we'll have a new FEMA >>>>>>>>>>> director, a new federal system for handling disaters of >>>>>>>>>>> this massive size (which is larger than ANY in US >>>>>>>>>>> history), and hopefully New Orleans will have a new Mayor >>>>>>>>>>> and perhaps an actual plan to deal with a situation >>>>>>>>>>> everyone knew could happen over the past 40 years. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I would be very surprised if GWB fired anyone over this. >>>>>>>>>> He only seems to can people who disagree with him, >>>>>>>>>> including the Director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics >>>>>>>>>> (who refused to bury statistical findings that racial >>>>>>>>>> profiling is alive and well). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://littlink.com/owv5y >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If all were equally likely to be stopped it doesn't sound >>>>>>>>> like racial profiling. Now, there were some problems with >>>>>>>>> what happened afterwards, I'll agree. But I thought racial >>>>>>>>> profiling had to do with who got stopped. Do I have the >>>>>>>>> definition incorrect? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The term "racial profiling" kind of encompasses the whole >>>>>>>> spectrum, including stopping, searching, citing, ticketing, >>>>>>>> etc. Officers may stop people equally, but they be more >>>>>>>> likely to issue citations to minority drivers, for example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What I haven't seen is any indication the study controlled >>>>>>>> for things like prior criminal record, outstanding warrants, >>>>>>>> or suspect demeanor toward the police (which would increase >>>>>>>> the likelihood of arrest). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My main concern about this issue was that there was an >>>>>>>> attempt to bury it. I mean, why not say, "Hey, guess what? >>>>>>>> Minority drivers aren't any more likely to be stopped than >>>>>>>> white drivers according to this study. However, they are >>>>>>>> more likely to be searched, ticketed, and arrested. We need >>>>>>>> to find out why." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> McVeigh was a white Republcan, wasn't he? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes... he's the example I tend to use when people argue that >>>>>> we should use racial profiling to identify terrorists. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> He is one example. Do the numbers say that there is no >>>>> correlation? >>>> >>>> >>>> It depends on what you're trying to correlate. Plus, how much >>>> data do we really have on terrorist attacks? Can't calculate >>>> correlations with n=2. >>>> >>>> (I guess n=3 if you count the bombing of the WTC.) >>> >>> When we had the serial killer here a couple of years ago it took >>> a really long time to catch him. Some people had actually made >>> tips about the man who actually did it but, since he is a black >>> man and serial killers are always white men, they didn't pick him >>> up until a couple more murders occurred. >>> >> >> Wasn't the Atlanta guy black as well? > > I dunno. They did pick up the guy from here in Atlanta. > Was there another one there? > This guy: http://members.fortunecity.com/hiper22/williams_mo.htm -- Jim .