Subj : Re: It seems not everyone shares the "Blame Bush All The Way" viewpoint... To : alt.tv.farscape From : Nick Date : Wed Sep 07 2005 03:53:17 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Jim Larson wrote: > Nick wrote: > >> Chaya wrote: >> >>> Nick wrote: >>> >>>> Chaya wrote: >>>> >>>>> John Iwaniszek wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Chaya wrote in >>>>>> news:Xns96C9A3B9D86A2chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nick wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Over the weekend, ABC/Washington Post poll reveals that >>>>>>>>>> despite the massive criticism aired 24/7 on Bush, most >>>>>>>>>> Americans just don't see it that way; >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/8lbd5 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And while the federal response was way too slow and >>>>>>>>>> disasters of this size should NOT be handled by FEMA, but >>>>>>>>>> rather the US military (which has no buerocracy to get in >>>>>>>>>> the way), I do have some questions for the local 'n state >>>>>>>>>> authorities, namely; >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why did the Mayor of New Orleans wait until SUNDAY to >>>>>>>>>> order the manditory evacuation of his city? 24 hours >>>>>>>>>> after both the govenor AND Bush pleaded with him to do >>>>>>>>>> so? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Why didn't the Superdome & Convention Center have ANY >>>>>>>>>> water 'n food supplies IF they were suppose to be >>>>>>>>>> shelters? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And if they weren't capable of handling that number of >>>>>>>>>> people, then why didn't they use the school 'n tourist >>>>>>>>>> buses (there were over 500 that survived the hurricane) >>>>>>>>>> to start getting them out BEFORE the flood waters cut off >>>>>>>>>> the city? In fact, why didn't they start moving people >>>>>>>>>> out on Saturday? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When word of the water barriers breaking reached the >>>>>>>>>> gov's office on Monday, why didn't she send in the >>>>>>>>>> National Guard (over 5,000 soldiers who had already been >>>>>>>>>> activated) into New Orleans right away before the flood >>>>>>>>>> waters cut off the city? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think that after all this is over and the >>>>>>>>>> investigations are concluded, we'll have a new FEMA >>>>>>>>>> director, a new federal system for handling disaters of >>>>>>>>>> this massive size (which is larger than ANY in US >>>>>>>>>> history), and hopefully New Orleans will have a new Mayor >>>>>>>>>> and perhaps an actual plan to deal with a situation >>>>>>>>>> everyone knew could happen over the past 40 years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I would be very surprised if GWB fired anyone over this. >>>>>>>>> He only seems to can people who disagree with him, >>>>>>>>> including the Director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics >>>>>>>>> (who refused to bury statistical findings that racial >>>>>>>>> profiling is alive and well). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://littlink.com/owv5y >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If all were equally likely to be stopped it doesn't sound >>>>>>>> like racial profiling. Now, there were some problems with >>>>>>>> what happened afterwards, I'll agree. But I thought racial >>>>>>>> profiling had to do with who got stopped. Do I have the >>>>>>>> definition incorrect? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The term "racial profiling" kind of encompasses the whole >>>>>>> spectrum, including stopping, searching, citing, ticketing, >>>>>>> etc. Officers may stop people equally, but they be more >>>>>>> likely to issue citations to minority drivers, for example. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What I haven't seen is any indication the study controlled >>>>>>> for things like prior criminal record, outstanding warrants, >>>>>>> or suspect demeanor toward the police (which would increase >>>>>>> the likelihood of arrest). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My main concern about this issue was that there was an >>>>>>> attempt to bury it. I mean, why not say, "Hey, guess what? >>>>>>> Minority drivers aren't any more likely to be stopped than >>>>>>> white drivers according to this study. However, they are >>>>>>> more likely to be searched, ticketed, and arrested. We need >>>>>>> to find out why." >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> McVeigh was a white Republcan, wasn't he? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Yes... he's the example I tend to use when people argue that >>>>> we should use racial profiling to identify terrorists. >>>>> >>>> >>>> He is one example. Do the numbers say that there is no >>>> correlation? >>> >>> >>> It depends on what you're trying to correlate. Plus, how much >>> data do we really have on terrorist attacks? Can't calculate >>> correlations with n=2. >>> >>> (I guess n=3 if you count the bombing of the WTC.) >> >> When we had the serial killer here a couple of years ago it took >> a really long time to catch him. Some people had actually made >> tips about the man who actually did it but, since he is a black >> man and serial killers are always white men, they didn't pick him >> up until a couple more murders occurred. >> > > Wasn't the Atlanta guy black as well? I dunno. They did pick up the guy from here in Atlanta. Was there another one there? .