Subj : Re: It seems not everyone shares the "Blame Bush All The Way" viewpoint... To : alt.tv.farscape From : Chaya Date : Wed Sep 07 2005 03:29:15 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Nick wrote: > Chaya wrote: > >> John Iwaniszek wrote: >> >>> Chaya wrote in >>> news:Xns96C9A3B9D86A2chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >>> >>>> Nick wrote: >>>> >>>>> Chaya wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Over the weekend, ABC/Washington Post poll reveals that >>>>>>> despite the massive criticism aired 24/7 on Bush, most >>>>>>> Americans just don't see it that way; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/8lbd5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And while the federal response was way too slow and disasters >>>>>>> of this size should NOT be handled by FEMA, but rather the US >>>>>>> military (which has no buerocracy to get in the way), I do >>>>>>> have some questions for the local 'n state authorities, >>>>>>> namely; >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why did the Mayor of New Orleans wait until SUNDAY to order >>>>>>> the manditory evacuation of his city? 24 hours after both the >>>>>>> govenor AND Bush pleaded with him to do so? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why didn't the Superdome & Convention Center have ANY water >>>>>>> 'n food supplies IF they were suppose to be shelters? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And if they weren't capable of handling that number of >>>>>>> people, then why didn't they use the school 'n tourist buses >>>>>>> (there were over 500 that survived the hurricane) to start >>>>>>> getting them out BEFORE the flood waters cut off the city? In >>>>>>> fact, why didn't they start moving people out on Saturday? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When word of the water barriers breaking reached the gov's >>>>>>> office on Monday, why didn't she send in the National Guard >>>>>>> (over 5,000 soldiers who had already been activated) into New >>>>>>> Orleans right away before the flood waters cut off the city? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think that after all this is over and the investigations >>>>>>> are concluded, we'll have a new FEMA director, a new federal >>>>>>> system for handling disaters of this massive size (which is >>>>>>> larger than ANY in US history), and hopefully New Orleans >>>>>>> will have a new Mayor and perhaps an actual plan to deal with >>>>>>> a situation everyone knew could happen over the past 40 >>>>>>> years. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I would be very surprised if GWB fired anyone over this. He >>>>>> only seems to can people who disagree with him, including the >>>>>> Director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics (who refused to >>>>>> bury statistical findings that racial profiling is alive and >>>>>> well). >>>>>> >>>>>> http://littlink.com/owv5y >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If all were equally likely to be stopped it doesn't sound like >>>>> racial profiling. Now, there were some problems with what >>>>> happened afterwards, I'll agree. But I thought racial >>>>> profiling had to do with who got stopped. Do I have the >>>>> definition incorrect? >>>> >>>> >>>> The term "racial profiling" kind of encompasses the whole >>>> spectrum, including stopping, searching, citing, ticketing, etc. >>>> Officers may stop people equally, but they be more likely to >>>> issue citations to minority drivers, for example. >>>> >>>> What I haven't seen is any indication the study controlled for >>>> things like prior criminal record, outstanding warrants, or >>>> suspect demeanor toward the police (which would increase the >>>> likelihood of arrest). >>>> >>>> My main concern about this issue was that there was an attempt >>>> to bury it. I mean, why not say, "Hey, guess what? Minority >>>> drivers aren't any more likely to be stopped than white drivers >>>> according to this study. However, they are more likely to be >>>> searched, ticketed, and arrested. We need to find out why." >>>> >>> >>> McVeigh was a white Republcan, wasn't he? >>> >> >> Yes... he's the example I tend to use when people argue that we >> should use racial profiling to identify terrorists. >> > > He is one example. Do the numbers say that there is no correlation? It depends on what you're trying to correlate. Plus, how much data do we really have on terrorist attacks? Can't calculate correlations with n=2. (I guess n=3 if you count the bombing of the WTC.) .