Subj : Re: It seems not everyone shares the "Blame Bush All The Way" viewpoint... To : alt.tv.farscape From : Nick Date : Wed Sep 07 2005 03:26:08 From Newsgroup: alt.tv.farscape Chaya wrote: > John Iwaniszek wrote: > >> Chaya wrote in >> news:Xns96C9A3B9D86A2chayaruth@204.153.244.170: >> >>> Nick wrote: >>> >>>> Chaya wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ken McElhaney wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Over the weekend, ABC/Washington Post poll reveals that >>>>>> despite the massive criticism aired 24/7 on Bush, most >>>>>> Americans just don't see it that way; >>>>>> >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/8lbd5 >>>>>> >>>>>> And while the federal response was way too slow and disasters >>>>>> of this size should NOT be handled by FEMA, but rather the US >>>>>> military (which has no buerocracy to get in the way), I do >>>>>> have some questions for the local 'n state authorities, >>>>>> namely; >>>>>> >>>>>> Why did the Mayor of New Orleans wait until SUNDAY to order >>>>>> the manditory evacuation of his city? 24 hours after both the >>>>>> govenor AND Bush pleaded with him to do so? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why didn't the Superdome & Convention Center have ANY water >>>>>> 'n food supplies IF they were suppose to be shelters? >>>>>> >>>>>> And if they weren't capable of handling that number of >>>>>> people, then why didn't they use the school 'n tourist buses >>>>>> (there were over 500 that survived the hurricane) to start >>>>>> getting them out BEFORE the flood waters cut off the city? In >>>>>> fact, why didn't they start moving people out on Saturday? >>>>>> >>>>>> When word of the water barriers breaking reached the gov's >>>>>> office on Monday, why didn't she send in the National Guard >>>>>> (over 5,000 soldiers who had already been activated) into New >>>>>> Orleans right away before the flood waters cut off the city? >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that after all this is over and the investigations >>>>>> are concluded, we'll have a new FEMA director, a new federal >>>>>> system for handling disaters of this massive size (which is >>>>>> larger than ANY in US history), and hopefully New Orleans >>>>>> will have a new Mayor and perhaps an actual plan to deal with >>>>>> a situation everyone knew could happen over the past 40 >>>>>> years. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I would be very surprised if GWB fired anyone over this. He >>>>> only seems to can people who disagree with him, including the >>>>> Director of the Bureau of Justice Statistics (who refused to >>>>> bury statistical findings that racial profiling is alive and >>>>> well). >>>>> >>>>> http://littlink.com/owv5y >>>>> >>>> >>>> If all were equally likely to be stopped it doesn't sound like >>>> racial profiling. Now, there were some problems with what >>>> happened afterwards, I'll agree. But I thought racial >>>> profiling had to do with who got stopped. Do I have the >>>> definition incorrect? >>> >>> >>> The term "racial profiling" kind of encompasses the whole >>> spectrum, including stopping, searching, citing, ticketing, etc. >>> Officers may stop people equally, but they be more likely to >>> issue citations to minority drivers, for example. >>> >>> What I haven't seen is any indication the study controlled for >>> things like prior criminal record, outstanding warrants, or >>> suspect demeanor toward the police (which would increase the >>> likelihood of arrest). >>> >>> My main concern about this issue was that there was an attempt >>> to bury it. I mean, why not say, "Hey, guess what? Minority >>> drivers aren't any more likely to be stopped than white drivers >>> according to this study. However, they are more likely to be >>> searched, ticketed, and arrested. We need to find out why." >>> >> >> McVeigh was a white Republcan, wasn't he? >> > > Yes... he's the example I tend to use when people argue that we > should use racial profiling to identify terrorists. > He is one example. Do the numbers say that there is no correlation? .