Subj : Gas Crunch
To   : Daemon
From : Newborn
Date : Mon Aug 29 2005 00:28:00

  Re: Gas Crunch
  By: Daemon to Newborn on Sun Aug 28 2005 03:39 am

 >   Re: Gas Crunch
 >   By: Newborn to Daemon on Sat Aug 27 2005 11:14 pm
 > 
 >  >      Essentially right.  Third parties are an outlet used to maintain the
 >  > status quo.  They syphon off discontent from the minority and keep the po
 >  > that is in control.  If not the current party, then the one out of power
 >  > becames the ruling elite.  Nothing ever changes in Government.
 > 
 > 
 >   (Interesting.  Could this be the first Dovenet discussion you and I have
 > engaged in where we agree 100%?)
 > 
     Possibly!

 >   That is EXACTLY why I've come to firmly believe that the government cannot
 > changed by simply wading into the existing structure and trying to recreate 
 > wheel without, in the end, the new one ending up every bit as round as the o
 > 
 >   Not that I advocate a modern Revolution, mind you.  I think the world in
 > general has seen enough right-by-might lately captioned with the words "Unit
 > States".
 > 
 >   But the country is in need, IMO, of a cultural advance that counters the
 > current intellectual decay rather than a simple replacement of existing corr
 > elements within a corrupted system.
 > 
 >   The framers knew exactly where the true power was - the people.
 > Obviously, those who have no reason to fear oppression are not likely to be
 > the champions of preventing oppression - they'll be the ones oppressing.  So
 > falls to the ones who DO have reason to fear it to maintain the vigilence an
 > dedication that keeps it at bay, as a matter of self-regulating course.
 > 
 >   The ONLY way to usurp the power of the country is to put as much distance
 > between the people and the government as possible.
 > 
 >   And, conversely, only the people, because of the design of the system, hav
 > the power to restrain the usurption.  Which is the way it simply SHOULD be.
 > It's the whole point, is it not?
 > 
 >   If the process itself, the mechanism causing the distance, is to be defeat
 > it has to be by the people turning their attentions to it despite the
 > sleight-of-hand distractions of the very ones profitting by the mechanism.
 > 
 >   At the bottom line, that mechanism of profit is the beaurocratic system of
 > patronage upon which both the Democratic and Republican Parties stand, and
 > which pretty much all other aspiring faces of that kind of power seek to sta
 > 
 >   We have to stop letting them fool us, collectively, into thinking the only
 > thing worth fighting over is which of them is better than the other.  The on
 > ones that ACTUALLY matters to - is them as organizations of control.  WE'D b
 > better off not bothering with the question, and so would every other nation
 > with whom we interact.
 > 
 >   As far as I'm concerned, the Electoral College is ONLY a relevent concern
 > because there are 2 self-serving political organizations capable of
 > manipulating it to their advantage, checked only by each other and the stren
 > of their own rhetoric.
 > 
 >   Throw down the 2-party monopoly by re-instilling an attitude of pride in
 > BEING a government of the people, and you break the strings upon which the
 > threat inherent in the EC dangles like a marionette.  Anything else is fooli
 > Why solve the problem by simply replacing one or both of the puppet masters?
 > 
 >   And that's only the most extreme example of corrected governmental
 > dysfunction.  Before it reaches that level, if ripples from
 > neighborhoods/localities, through the states, and into the federal level.
 > 
 >   Because it's my opinion that the system cannot be changed from the top dow
 > as the Greens tried to do with Nader; it has to flow in the other direction 
 > order to ride a firm foundation of popular cooperation or it simply can't
 > endure.
 > 
 >   And that STARTS with the reversal of intellectual decay at the individual
 > level.
 > 
 >   People HAVE to be inspired to rule themselves.  It's essential and
 > unstoppable.  It really is that fundamental.
 > 
 >   Of course, that's only MY opinion, and alone it means squat.
 > 
   I fail to see that ever happening.  Individuals assuming the power of
Government would only lead to Anarchy.  That's part of the reason were a
representative Republic and not a true Democracy.  The founders knew that
people could not rule themselves, because there would be as many devisive
types of government as there would be people in the population.  Maybe thats
a little extreme, but it would be hard to get agreement on how the nation
should be ruled.

Newborn
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