Subj : Re: Iraq and Democracy To : Daemon From : Finnigann Date : Sun Oct 16 2005 08:12:00 -=> Daemon wrote to Finnigann <=- Da> Re: Re: Iraq and Democracy Da> By: Finnigann to Daemon on Sat Oct 15 2005 05:54 pm > *MY* radio statins were all-a-buzz with the staged conversations with US > Soldiers. being rehersed and scripted. Da> *nods* There's possibly more scripting and general spin going on Da> right now, from ALL sides, than I think I've ever seen before. With an Da> electorate whose attention span and ability to comprehend complex Da> arguments has dwindled as badly as ours has over the last hundred Da> years, political rhetoric in general is going to have a heyday for at Da> least the next few election cycles. Well there is a presumption that those *IN* office are right and have access to the *REAL* info. At least I used to think that way. 'w' has changed my mind on a lot of things as to how government works. Da> The administration, for instance. One thing they definitely have Da> pegged exactly right is the manipulation of ignorance. Too may people Da> have a hard enough time digesting a double-negative. Throw them a Da> double-negative from two opposite and simultaneous perspectives, then Da> follow immediately with another predicated on one or both, and then Da> continue, and THEN jump from one level of incongruity to another Da> randomly because each level has already been stated as a fundamental, Da> and the resulting confusion makes it practically impossible for the Da> majority to keep objectivity in sight at all. Maybe the Electoral College hasn't outgrown it's usefulness just yet. (-: It's really hard to understand, with some much of our population with college educations, that they don't demand better government from the campaigning process thru to the last day an official has in office. A total record of everything that they do (in an official capacity). I think the good guys would benefit from people knowing for sure that they are in fact good guys and the scoundrells would fear the light. Da> (To clarify... The above is in regards to the puddle-jumping method Da> of justification for the Iraq invasion that still has a huge segment of Da> the electorate totally misinformed about the facts.) I think the figure of people that have seen thru the lying on this is slowly rising. It's well over 50% now But they still want to continue with the war as if thesoldiers would feel betrayed if they got to come home early. Can you imagine how it must feel to be unjustly invaded (as if there is ever much justification) and 50%+ of the invading country knows AND admits to the fact along with the rest of the world that the invading leader's a rogue. And we still insist in carrying on with this travesty? QUESTION: What do you do when you are going some place and learn that you are on the wrong road? ANSWER: You stop and find the right road. Da> Meanwhile, though... The other side of the fence does pretty much Da> the same thing, but from multiple sources if not with multiple sets of Da> reasonings, so that while the message being sent might seem to be the Da> same, it's muddled by barely-cohesive arguments that don't fit together Da> easily. In fact, on the whole, taken together they can't really be Da> taken for much more than petulance and single-minded devotion to Da> negativity (because many of those who criticize have been enablers Da> along the way of exactly that which they criticize). Da> Which is a shame because that's not discourse that's being offered as Da> an alternative to what's being simplistically painted as pure Da> unilateralism, nor is it any kind of identifiable and united structure Da> for remedy. Da> I mean, realistically... What we have right now is one side Da> spinning, and the other side pointing fingers and declaring "SPIN!" Da> just before launching spin of their own. Well the internet does help a little "UN" spin things... Da> *shakes head* Both ways. And who makes out? The damned media which Da> is nothing more today than a collection of corporate entities Da> pretending to be voices of the people. No matter what the issue, no Da> matter who says or does what, count on the corporate media to blare the Da> most succulent details to the far corners of the nation to suck the Da> last possible dollar out of our pockets for their sponsors, profiting Da> the most at those times when we are being served the least by all Da> involved. The public airways are supposed to benefit the general population, not _just_ a few owners. And while technology has bypassed the broadcast technology, it still remains in the public's interest to have some control over what is told to the people. (otherwise aka propganda) Da> And we wonder why things are so bad? Maybe because our information Da> is being controlled by those who profit from the misfortune they Da> EAGERLY enable. Da> *scratches head* Maybe I ranted a bit off topic? I think alot more ranting is needed. Only the guilty want silence. ีอออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออออ ณ "We live in a society exquisitely ณ dependent on science and technology, ณ in which hardly anyone knows anything ณ about science and technology." ณ - Carl Sagan .... Capt'n! The spellchecker kinna take this abuse! --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.46 .