Subj : Re: Female Spam is a virus
To   : Dale Ross
From : Sean Rima
Date : Fri Feb 15 2002 04:03 pm

Dale Ross was alleged to have written to Sean Rima

 >> Nothing in
 >> > the BW packet is converted to the protocols of any other network. If
 >> you say,
 >> >which I never have, the BW is converting protocols, then so is any Mail
 >> reader
 >> > NNTP is a transfer method governed by various RFC documents, Fidonet
 >> is a
 >> >transfer mehod governed by various FTSC documents. BW provides the user
 >> with a
 >> > snapsht of the message base, without changing the transfer protocol or
 >> any
 >> > headers.
 >>
 >> BlueWave and QWK do NOT follow FTSC standards. NNTP is a snapshot of the
 >> message base. If NNTP is gating so is BlueWave and QWK.
 >>

 > HOw is it. Where is the relavant From Line, the To Line etc. Information
that
 >is lost when you convert between the two, which I may ppoint out that you had
 > go at me some time ago.

 DR> You are missing the point. There is NO conversion. A message lands in
 DR> the message base. A user comes in via Telnet they read the message. A
 DR> user comes in via HTTP they read the EXACT SAME message, a user comes
 DR> in via NNTP they read the EXACT SAME message. The message is not
 DR> exported from the BBS message base and then stored in another message
 DR> base for NNTP. It is the exact same message. No gating.

And so are you, there is a conversion. The FROM, DATE etc are all changed. And 
as I have explained that a gateway is the transaction between two seperate 
networks. I am not talking hardware as hardware cannot do it by it self.

 > QWK/Blue wave take the From  Line, To Line etc and present it as it is to
the
 > user. NNTP loses the To line, alters the From line and Msg ID.

 DR> Read OSDEBATE, NTHELP, LINUXHELP look at the kludges in those messages.
 DR> Notice how there are To and From information in them. Next go to
 DR> www.barkto.com and read the messages there with a newsreader. Notice
 DR> how all the messages thread properly, even messages created here in
 DR> FidoNet. That is a marriage between FidoNet and a private newsgrou
 DR> (gated if you well). None of what you claim above happens

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Okay, I will load up, soupgate or even BBBS and start reading them, by 
accident, I link someone else to the gate, who in turn sends it through to you 
which means that it goes out to the NG again. I can guarentee that BBBS here 
will not generate the same MSGID as you do. Which at the time, I tried to 
explain to you was why, I gate the Message-ID to MSGID, that way if by some 
chance it goes back out again, most NNTP servers will catch it as a dupe, and 
so will Fidonet.

Sean


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