Subj : 1:10/345
To   : David Calafrancesco
From : Frank Vest
Date : Thu Nov 29 2001 05:45 am

On (29 Nov 01) David Calafrancesco wrote to Frank Vest...

Hello David,


 DC> Frank Vest wrote in a message to David Calafrancesco:

 FV> On (29 Nov 01) David Calafrancesco wrote to mark lewis...

 DC> Or viewed another way, some members of AAA party decided to leave and
 DC> join the BBB party one of which was your friend who was providing
 DC> meeting notes from the AAA party meetings for you. As your friend had

 FV>  The real question to me is; Why is there a group AAA and a group
 FV> BBB to have a problem with each other to begin with?

 DC> Why are their democrats and republicans and liberals and conservatives
 DC> and libertarians and greens and all kinds of other groups too numerous
 DC> to mention? But that is a bad example as it shows differences in
 DC> political philosophy. The really interesting thing is to look at the
 DC> very early origins of some of those parties and you will see that what
 DC> one group A calls a liability in another group was what group A stood
 DC> for over a 100 years.

Looks like a good example of the current state here. Political.

 DC> Very interesting but not useful in this discussion... so instead,
 DC> let's look at a comparison a bit closer to home. Why are there more
 DC> than one internet access provider in the world? Shouldn't we all be
 DC> happy with AOL? After all, you can get the same content with AOL that
 DC> you get with say a standard ISP, in fact you get even more content,
 DC> though not all of it is relevant or topical. The NAB and Z1B are more
 DC> like types of ISPs than political parties.

 DC> Looked at a different way, why are there so many top level groups for
 DC> news? Shouldn't alt.* be enough for everyone? Here the difference
 DC> between NAB and Z1B is a bit clearer, the Z1B requires external
 DC> support for an echo (discussion group) to be carried, and has volume
 DC> and management concerns that needs to be met. The NAB allows anyone to
 DC> create anything anytime so looks like it has many more areas, but many
 DC> of them are empty with nobody home.

 DC> Hope that helps...

Not really.

It's not political, but A is accusing B of something that B did to C
while it was being done to A.

As far as ISPs go, if you are trying to be like an ISP, it's failing.
I think I would have second thoughts about going into an ISP's office
to get a connection and while being told of how good they are, there
was an argument going on with the people running the place concerning
each other and other ISPs with accusations flying in all directions.

Fidonet is a peer to peer network. It can be run as a server/client
network if the clients desire. Getting the clients to desire is the
crux of the problem and it is failing in this echo as well as other
places. :(

I'm not talking about the differences between the Z1B and the NAB or
others in regards to what they offer or don't. The Z1B can offer
strawberry shortcake for all I care. The NAB can offer strawberry
shortcake as well. How that is presented is the subject. When all sides
are throwing the cake at each other, the customers are leaving.

Get over it. This is not the old Fidonet where it was easy to have a
big group that controlled things and could throw what they like around
at each other while the minions watched in horror and fear.

Fidonet is killing itself.


Hope that helps,

 Frank

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