Subj : 1:10/345 To : Dale Ross From : Michael Grant Date : Wed Nov 28 2001 04:22 am Hello Dale. 28 Nov 01 03:58, you wrote to me: MG>> Ok, bright boy; produce proof. Show /one/ single name or node MG>> number of a person I tried to convince to packet ram your system. MG>> You know you can't; because there aren't any. DR> So you deny that on 5/13/2001 in a reply when you first heard about DR> FNB that you said: DR> "ROTFLMAO!! /That/ could be fun..." I don't deny that at all... Firstly, the comment was made in the FLAME echo; and even Roy Witt, the moderator of FLAME himself, says that nothing in that echo should be taken seriously. Secondly, the comment was in response to /Roy/ musing that /he/ might try something like that. It would indeed be fun seeing Roy trying to do this, and possibly get caught in doing so. That's not proof that /I/ would do any such thing; to allude so is sheer speculation on your part, and borders on slander. DR> Then later on 5/13/2001 When the discussion of how to get FNB DR> came up DR> that you did not make the following statement: DR> "Psst... if such a proggy should happen to magically appear in a DR> certain someone's mailbox, would that certain someone forward it to a DR> certain link of his?" Again, no denial whatsoever. Read my message here to Roy on this point; I at that time did not know what the program was capable of and wanted to examine it. DR> Then on 5/17/2001 discussion came up about who might have DR> security lax enough to toss any incoming packet that connects DR> with me. You made some suggestion to try. I posted two initials; initials of people I /knew/ were reading that echo. It was an attempt to draw them out; to bait them into a flame war. It is after all, the FLAME echo. The attempt did not work. DR> Now this was out in public. No telling what you said/did behind closed DR> doors. I do see where Roy said he sent you FNB. /Exactly/. It was done /entirely/ in public view. Do you think if I was seriously considering doing such a thing that I would broadcast it publically for all to see? Try again, Bucko; There's nothing in any of those three messages that indicates I would be in support of packet ramming, and no where do I try to encourage others to do so. Your ASSumptions are based on what you /thought/ I was thinking. You can't read my mind, and you have no clue what I was thinking. DR> Thank you Chris for still having those messages on your BBS. Hell, I've still got them here as well; if you want; I'll post them for all to see here. I'm not afraid of what I've said. It was a FLAME; in the FLAME echo, and nothing more. Leave it to you to get all paranoid and "blacklist" someone over something that was not supposed to be taken seriously. MG>> If you seriously think I, as a mail mover, would be in favor of MG>> someone packet ramming, then you need to get your head MG>> examined. DR> So you often contradict yourself? And please stop lying. This lie you DR> cannot hide. Don't even try to call yourself a mail mover. Find any contradiction in those messages. Find where I said that I was in support of packet ramming. Find where I tried to encourage someone else to packet ram your system. None such exists in those messages nor anywhere else, either publically or privately. You have no evidence; only your wild speculative accusations without any basis in fact. DR>>> I have no paranoia with you. I know what exactly what to DR>>> expect. MG>> You don't know the first thing about me; you've built up your MG>> paranoid little fantasy based on what you /believe/. DR> Oh you've built a pretty good picture of yourself for me and everyone DR> else. Read CHATTER much? --- GoldED/386 3.0.1-dam3 * Origin: MikE'S MaDHousE: WelComE To ThE AsYluM! (1:134/11) .