Subj : 1:10/345 To : Dale Ross From : Michael Grant Date : Tue Nov 27 2001 05:10 pm Hello Dale. 27 Nov 01 23:12, you wrote to me: DC>> If that was the case then many of the Z1B hubs would not have been DC>> removed without warning from their connections with the ZC a few DC>> months back. I don't recall you telling Janis that cutting those DC>> connections (all connections BTW) was morally repugnant. Your DC>> inability to find fault with anyone but the Z1B or R12 is frankly DC>> morally repugnant to me, yet I let you stay in this echo and DC>> continue your ways because while you skirt the line, you don't DC>> cross it enough to generate moderator action. DR> And if Mr. Grant would like to jump on the bandwagon about people DR> cutting links. I can point him to an RC, Bob Adkins. I setup a secure DR> connection with him for routed NetMail right after he was made R15C. DR> That region had. Shortly after I let it be known to the IRN people in DR> Z1ROUTING that I had established this connection so they could update DR> their chart, Bob removed that connection. Passworded me out of his DR> system. It was obviously one of the anti-IRN Routing Chart crew that DR> pushed him to sever that link. Since that was part of a move to route DR> around Bob Seaborn the list of people that did the pushing is pretty DR> small. I don't know Bob Adkins or anyone else from R15 very well; and I don't know the reasons they did this. If the reasons you contend are true, then perhaps if you had been honest with Mr. Adkins from the start and told him the /real/ reasons why you were establishing this link, he would not have cut you off. He may not have even allowed the link in the first place, but maybe then he would have. People do not appreciate dishonesty, and not being up front about your aims in establishing links in the first place is IMO a good reason for cutting a link. Your reasons for this threat to Ross are not good reasons, as they are based purely on personal animosity and have nothing to do with the mail moving between you and Ross' system itself. DR> So Mr. Grant, I expect to you or hear you blasting away at Janis DR> and Bob. DR> Both by your own definition are morally repugnant. Janis DR> setup a file feed with a Matt Bedynek. All was and dandy until I DR> and Todd Cochrane switched our file feeds over to Matt. As soon DR> as she learned who Matt was feeding with little to almost no DR> warning she cut him off at the knees. Did not even give him time DR> to adjust over to another connection. I've heard another version of the story. Janis says her system is overloaded, and that she asked Matt to accept a link from another hub in the Filegate system, and that Matt took it as an affront, ASSuming that she did this due to his association with the Z1B; and /insisting/ that he /must/ draw the Filegate from her system, and hers /only/. In fact, I recently established a link with Janis for the Filegate, partly for the reason of hatching files into the MYSTIC FDN and was told in no uncertain terms that I cannot at present recieve /any/ fileechos from her system because she does not have the resources to do so; so if I'm supposed to be as "buddy-buddy" with her as you think, why do I not at present have a full Filegate feed from her? I've also heard tell that like the ERN issue, some of the Z1B hubs are attempting to make their own file distribution system. I guess you're just not happy sharing the sandlot, you've just /got/ to have it all to yourselves. DR> Which echoes can I monitor as you blast away at Janis and Bob DR> because of their actions? If my severing a secure connection DR> with a node AND giving them fair warning is morally repugant, DR> what does that make the actions by Janis? As David said, you are DR> very selective on who or what you find fault with. So lets see DR> yet again what happens when step up to the plate... The reasons for the actions of those persons remain unknown to me, and your opinions are not proven to me on their reasons. In your case however, your reasons are clear; you succinctly stated them publically for all to see. They are a clear attempt to hold nodes hostage to your personal likes and dislikes, and to silence criticism. You may have suceeded in silencing Ross' criticism in this echo, but you'll not silence mine. --- GoldED/386 3.0.1-dam3 * Origin: MikE'S MaDHousE: WelComE To ThE AsYluM! (1:134/11) .