Subj : Remember To : David Calafrancesco From : Ross Cassell Date : Sat Sep 01 2001 01:54 am Hello David! 01 Sep 01 00:24, you wrote to me: DC> I maintain that the process, by whatever means it is accomplished, is DC> 'altering' in-transit traffic. Call it editing, call it filtering or DC> censorship or whatever you want. The results as you have described DC> them clearly shows that what comes into your HUB destined for BACKBONE DC> doesn't always leave your HUB destined for BACKBONE. DC> Post all the config files you want, it doesn't change a thing. My DC> assertion that you are altering in-transit traffic is based solely DC> upon your own statements. and it is my assertion based on the complaints I have received that your collective is altering the purpose of the BACKBONE FDN. The purpose being a repository for BACKBONE echotag list and hub rosters, not routing charts. It doesnt matter that 5 or 6 people voted, the notion of that vote is perposterous because its effect on those not part of your fraternity. All prior votes the Z1B has ever taken when I was in it, never were constructed to have any effect outside the fraternity, can you explain this shift in philosophy? What if everyone else voted to hatch stock quotes in the FIDONEWS FDN? I'll take this slowly for you: BACKBONE.Z1B Filename (ext) implies its a Z1B info file, indeed it is, it is a list of boned echoes you all offer up for distro. BACKSTAT.Z1B Filename (ext) and indeed the contents of the file indicate its a info file of the Z1B. SLA*.* Havent seen a new version of this since 07/01, but it tells of the Z1B in its contents, of course I assume you all decided not to hatch this monthly unless a change is made to it, that makes sense as well, P4 didnt get hatched all the time either. Either way it dont matter SLA is a info file by every definition of the term, I have every hatched copy of that in the /BACKBONE/ directory since 02/28/1999, dont think I have all of them due to HD upgrades and the like. IRNROUTE.### Filename does not imply Z1B info file, neither do the contents. You seen my messages to Todd yesterday on it, in addition ot past comments, I cannot get either the UNIXDOS or LINUX versions of GREP to locate terminology that indicates IRNROUTE is a Z1B info file, I cannot find any text string in it that would refer to known Z1B terminologies, including the string Z1B itself, in addition I cannot locate the first or last names of known Z1B hubs, I ran grep in a case insensitive text search. For instance if you run: grep z1b irnroute.238 It would reveal if present the lines that bear the string 'z1b' either by itself or inside a word, like for instance if irnroute.238 contained the word 'z1backbone', that search would show me all lines. Since I made mention of Unixdos a number of times: http://www.unixdos.com A suite of utilities to perform a vast number of *nix commands, its available for: MS-DOS 5.0 up to Windows 2000. I imagine OS/2 users could use the DOS version in a DOS window?? So please tell me what qualifies irnroute as a info file when you have been shown otherwise and it is a wide variation from the pattern established by the other more legitimate files that are released in that fdn? A theory: If you all took the steps to physically reflect IRNROUTE as a Z1B info file, others not part of the Z1B fraternity or otherwise not wanting anything to do with your chart to save the world, could legitimately ask to be removed from it, couldnt they, YES? == Ross http://www.the-estar.com:8080 ross@the-estar.com or rcassell@home.com ICQ = 5305939 --- GoldED/W32 3.0.1 * Origin: The Eastern Star [Mail Hub] - 864.573.7069 (1:18/500) .